EV owners of today and tomorrow

[Grumpycat]

And yet another one bites the dust ! Are they finally seeing these vehicles are not the answer ?

MSN

Golly, a $26,000 battery! How ever could a manufacturer sell an EV with such an outrageous battery! Clearly not a traditional me-too automaker who few trust to do it right.

 

[Grumpycat]

Wow.

THAT is a nice ride.

Thanks. It provides a reference to compare other vehicles against.

 

[wawajake]

I see Tesla's exaggerating of capabilities continues. This time in regards to winter battery impacts. QUEUE Grumpy, "it was a invalid test," or "everybody exaggerates. " Norwegian EV testing finds Teslas lose major miles in cold

 

[shooterdon]

I see Tesla's exaggerating of capabilities continues. This time in regards to winter battery impacts. QUEUE Grumpy, "it was a invalid test," or "everybody exaggerates. " Norwegian EV testing finds Teslas lose major miles in cold

It has warmed up to 0 degrees this morning. Was below zero last night when I went to visit friends.

The 2007 F250 started but labored at it. With an EV I would not have had to worry about starting in the cold...I assume???

Still, unlikely I will be getting an EV soon. Northern Michigan is not a place where EVs are common or easily serviced and I keep vehicles until they go over 200k miles. I have 132k miles on the newest truck (F150) but been thinking of an EV when it gets to 180k miles. Keep the F150 as a backup/long trips and get an EV as the daily driver. Should be around the time Vance becomes president. Gives time to see how EV's mature and develop.

Not an EV hater UNLESS they get shoved down my throat like some states have been moving...then I hate the overreach of government...not the technology. But if gas gets in the sub-$2.50/gal range, EVs will be a harder sell. Not much reason for me to have one unless they save money.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

I see Tesla's exaggerating of capabilities continues. This time in regards to winter battery impacts. QUEUE Grumpy, "it was a invalid test," or "everybody exaggerates. " Norwegian EV testing finds Teslas lose major miles in cold

Jake you may want to wait a bit before ordering a new EV. There are more than one standard in EV range testing. If you had read down to the apples to apples test you would have read the below paragraph.

"Nevertheless, despite this disparate gulf in promises, both vehicles ended up within a shout of each other in terms of real distance travelled, with the Polestar covering 330 miles (531 km) and the Tesla managing, um, exactly the same, within a few metres."

 

[wawajake]

Jake you may want to wait a bit before ordering a new EV. There are more than one standard in EV range testing. If you had read down to the apples to apples test you would have read the below paragraph.

"Nevertheless, despite this disparate gulf in promises, both vehicles ended up within a shout of each other in terms of real distance travelled, with the Polestar covering 330 miles (531 km) and the Tesla managing, um, exactly the same, within a few metres."

I read the whole article, the point was the exaggerating Tesla does, but then that went over your head. .....and considering last 5 days has been minus 10 F , ( without any windfactor ) . And snow covered roads and vehicles covered in salt and snow after 15 minutes of driving. I will stick with my Jeep. Because even with maybe a 5 or 10 percent increase in fuel usage, with a range of more than 1000 kms my range is reduced to 900 at most. That is far less " range anxiety " than an EV that is dealing with half the range to start with. Northern Ont is not a good place for EVs if you drive 10 hrs round trip to grandkids typically once or twice a month. ....and one of those trip legs will be a storm and traffic detours around closed hwys due to accidents.

 

[NoTrespassing]

I read the whole article, the point was the exaggerating Tesla does, but then that went over your head. .....and considering last 5 days has been minus 10 F , ( without any windfactor ) . And snow covered roads and vehicles covered in salt and snow after 15 minutes of driving. I will stick with my Jeep. Because even with maybe a 5 or 10 percent increase in fuel usage, with a range of more than 1000 kms my range is reduced to 900 at most. That is far less " range anxiety " than an EV that is dealing with half the range to start with. Northern Ont is not a good place for EVs if you drive 10 hrs round trip to grandkids typically once or twice a month. ....and one of those trip legs will be a storm and traffic detours around closed hwys due to accidents.

My Mazda 3 mileage has been cut by 25% when compared to summer driving. I average 40 mpg summer and only about 30 mpg during this cold snap of below zero F weather. That's with about 5 minutes idling warm up in the morning.

Having said that, a drop of 25% range in an EV would be worse for my trips since the range is smaller to start with and charge times on the road are longer than fill ups.

We have 3 trips scheduled for next week of about 200 miles each with no time for charging. I wouldn't want to do that in zero F. weather in an EV right now.

 

[MarkF48]

Found this kind of interesting. How is your state doing?

Local – NBC Boston

In-depth news coverage of the Greater Boston and New England area.

www.necn.com

 

[Grumpycat]

I will stick with my Jeep. Because even with maybe a 5 or 10 percent increase in fuel usage, with a range of more than 1000 kms my range is reduced to 900 at most.

So, “maybe”? You are guessing and don’t really know.

I documented my Subaru dropping from 32 to 26 MPG on long 70 MPH trips. 20% loss from 70° to 40°. Not figuring short trip warmups. Measured at pump, not the fool meter. Even if this is “winter gas” it is truth. I have reason to believe it is not due to winter gas.

My Model Y reports first mile or two at 11°F at 700 Wh/mile. About 5 miles later the average is under 300 Wh/mile.

Neighbor warms his diesel RAM at least 15 minutes on cold mornings. No 10% hit for him.

 

[Grumpycat]

My Mazda 3 mileage has been cut by 25% when compared to summer driving. I average 40 mpg summer and only about 30 mpg during this cold snap of below zero F weather. That's with about 5 minutes idling warm up in the morning.

That is similar to my experience with ICE.

Having said that, a drop of 25% range in an EV would be worse for my trips since the range is smaller to start with and charge times on the road are longer than fill ups.

We have 3 trips scheduled for next week of about 200 miles each with no time for charging. I wouldn't want to do that in zero F. weather in an EV right now.

My Model Y 10,000 mile average is 234 Wh/mile, first mile cold consumption 3x that. But once rolling the battery warms from use releasing the stored energy that isn’t available from a cold battery.

I have a 200+ mile day coming up. Forecast 34°-48°. We’ll see. I’m not anxious.