EV owners of today and tomorrow

[Gale Hawkins]

Verbal diarrhea Grumpy.....and your expertise about mining around the world is severely lacking....i worked for 12 yrs underground in uranuim mines , my brotherinlaws both work in mines in Canada, one nickel, one gold....all primarily diesel. The lowest cost open pit mines ( for the materials used for EVs ) around the world will be diesel or coal generated electric equipment. ......but nice try. As for China.....somehow you blaming me ( or my country ) for letting China to become dominant in this world is extremely hypocritical given the growth of trade the USA has with them . The 30 million consumers versus the 320 million you have buying Chinese crap on Amazon, or from Walmart....but nice try at deflection.......but then I guess seeing the value of your Tesla investment and being worried where to park it so it won't get keyed has you grumpier than usual.

You are free to continue to live and die in fear instead of love.

When I realized (became a realistic) that living in fear was damaging my personal health today and increasing my personal risk of heart attack and cancer tomorrow I started looking for a safe place to make U turn on the road of life.

I decided to start moving towards living in love by giving up living in fear. I have a long way to go but my changing is already helping improve my wife's physical and mental health. I realized by my living in fear I was harming the future of my wife and kids.


Had I realized decades ago how much my shift towards living in love would do to improve my wife's physical and mental health I may have started my shift from living in fear decades ago.

 

[tradosaurus]

Except lets not gloss over that the electricity used to charge the majority of EV cars in the world consume either natural gas or coal or uranuim . With some countries cleaner than others. China being low on the totem pole with their hundreds of coal plants . And of course the mined raw materials used to make the batteries require all sorts of diesel and electricity to run that mining equipment. And given the downfall of manufacturers like Tesla these days being replaced by Chinese manufacturers ( using coal for their factories) ....the green zealots around the world that are shunning Tesla are just sending the manufacturing to more unclean coal consuming countries like China. Quite the conundrum, might as well stick to ICE maybe .

I didn't buy my Tesla because the climate hoax. I bought my Tesla because it's the best car I've ever owned.
I would prefer cleaner energy for all our electric needs but until we get rid of draconian EPA regulations nuclear plants couldn't be built in a reasonable time.

 

[tradosaurus]

I thought most states already started doing this years ago? If not, shame on them for being too slow to adapt.

In PA, it's $45 to register an ICE and $200 to register an EV, with that price going up to $250 next year. I'm finding various figures on average per-capita gasoline usage, but they all center around roughly 550 gal/year, with PA gas tax being 57.6 cents per gallon. Meanwhile, the EV drivers are paying 6.27% gross-receipts tax on their charging, on a supposed 3000 - 4000 kWh per year.

So, average ICE drivers are paying roughly $317 in fuel tax on average, whereas the BEV drivers are paying $43 in GRT at PA's low (~$.20/kWh) electric rates. So a PA driver is paying $362 in reg+tax, for an ICE, versus $243 in reg+tax for a BEV, which is probably why they're raising it another $50 next year.

It's unfair how the EV tax is being levied. It should be by mileage driven for all cars. If using mileage my extra EV fee when registering my car every year would be about $130.

 

[wawajake]

I just delivered materials to coal mines in Alabama for a couple summers. They used electric vehicles underground. 1970s.

https://www.komatsu.com/en/products/electric-rope-shovels/4800xpc/#specifications

I'm blaming you for lack of reading comprehension. I said China was allowed to take over production in 3rd world countries our Benevolent Globalist Leaders gifted to the 3rd world in the misbegotten belief they would rise out of poverty. China has simply enslaved these peoples locking them into the poverty they were supposed to be able to use their exclusive access to markets to rise out of poverty.


Is not I who is deflecting.

I own 16 shares of TSLA.

So you think keying Teslas is fair game?

Grumpy? Not at all! You provide great amusement! Not quite as good as seeing https://x.com/StephenM obliterate "journalists", but good for variety.

Come on Grumps, you got to do better than that....your comparing a first world coal mine in USA , to the 3rd world country mines where EV battery metals like nickel are ,and will be sourced from ! .....no comparison grumps, eg nickels biggest producers are Indonesia, Russia and Phillipines, countries that have little regard to environmental pressures to mine cleanly. Or have the electrical infrastructure needed to add haulage needs to the electrical needs of the crushers and smelters etc . SO Diesel it is. As for your link to a electric mining equipment company, of course they exist, in first world country mines, eg Scandinavian and some Canadian mines ( in limited test capacity here) but that isn't where Tesla and Chinese EV companies get their nickel. Matter of fact Ego Musk came sniffing around a few years ago wanting all Vale's Sudbury (a hundred miles from me ) nickel production to be contracted to him. They said no, you can have small contracts , we as a 75 yr running mining enterprise do not want all our eggs in one basket. They have multi diversified contracts around the world instead . Good thing they turned him down , with his company starting to lose market share dramatically, and now his Ego actions in politics, any contracts he signed I wouldn't trust as far as I could throw him.

 

[wawajake]

You are free to continue to live and die in fear instead of love.

When I realized (became a realistic) that living in fear was damaging my personal health today and increasing my personal risk of heart attack and cancer tomorrow I started looking for a safe place to make U turn on the road of life.

I decided to start moving towards living in love by giving up living in fear. I have a long way to go but my changing is already helping improve my wife's physical and mental health. I realized by my living in fear I was harming the future of my wife and kids.


Had I realized decades ago how much my shift towards living in love would do to improve my wife's physical and mental health I may have started my shift from living in fear decades ago.

What does this have to do with EVs resource requirements and the politics of EVs ? ......I get my love, empathy, sensitivity and hope from God . But that is not the topic of this thread. I do however ( without fear ) correct posts such as yours that twist the truth about EVs and their impacts on the earth. Drive whatever you want, just don't exaggerate or mislead.

 

[WinterDeere]

I have considered investing in Europe so not all my eggs are in America.

I can't imagine that being a safe bet. For all you say is wrong with Canada, Europe represents those attributes to an exponentially higher degree. It's no wonder Europe has been through a succession of economic meltdowns over the last 30 years, with essentially 3 productive countries carrying the other 41 (or 47, depending on how you count).

I love Europe, in fact I'll be traveling there again this summer, as I have almost every year since the 1990's. But while I'm amazed by and enjoy their history, I'm not optimistic about their future, given their self-destructive policies and behavior.

It's unfair how the EV tax is being levied. It should be by mileage driven for all cars. If using mileage my extra EV fee when registering my car every year would be about $130.

I agree this would be fair, but probably too prone to fraud to ever be a workable system.

 

[wawajake]

I am a realist.

Leaving Canada was the best decision I have ever made. I have no need to justify it. I have no “inner demons “.

I do not want to see Canada become part of the US. That will destroy America.

I have pulled almost all of my investments out if Canada. I have lost confidence in my country of birth.

It is so bad, I have considered investing in Europe so not all my eggs are in America. Regrettably, I have a significant amount in my RRIF that I cannot pull out of Canada. I don’t see a bright future for Canada.

Canadians who believe they will win an economic war with the US are delusional or stupid.

I suggest Canada only needs to do three things . 1) gather citizen resolve to push back and temporarily deal with consequences, this aspect already happening including banding with Europe and Mexico for United front. Extreme unity and perseverance is in place. 2 ) Elect a better right wing Gov here in Canada, this was happening until Trump gave supporting words to Poliviere. Although now Trump is realizing he is messing up and changing his wording. 3) Wait 4 yrs until a) USA implodes from within pushback as recession and markets,tank b) Trump type gov voted out and more normal Republicans replace or more right wing democratic platform happens and them voted in. Or c) unfortunately an assassination occurs. .....so 4 years , I would say a 4th point long shot diplomacy happens, as already occurring by Canada and Mexico pretending to cooperate, so that Trump can save face. But in Election year here that ain't likely.

 

[Grumpycat]

More Trump, less Bush!

Am gigglish with delight at Trump’s cabinet and department head choices. Loving the sound of pigs squealing.

Big difference between lecturing “Buy EV! Tax credits! Mandates!” and simply buying one himself on the White House front lawn. Disappointed he bought an S rather than a practical Y. At least it wasn’t a Cybertruck.

 

[shooterdon]

I suggest Canada only needs to do three things . 1) gather citizen resolve to push back and temporarily deal with consequences, this aspect already happening including banding with Europe and Mexico for United front. Extreme unity and perseverance is in place. 2 ) Elect a better right wing Gov here in Canada, this was happening until Trump gave supporting words to Poliviere. Although now Trump is realizing he is messing up and changing his wording. 3) Wait 4 yrs until a) USA implodes from within pushback as recession and markets,tank b) Trump type gov voted out and more normal Republicans replace or more right wing democratic platform happens and them voted in. Or c) unfortunately an assassination occurs. .....so 4 years , I would say a 4th point long shot diplomacy happens, as already occurring by Canada and Mexico pretending to cooperate, so that Trump can save face. But in Election year here that ain't likely.

You are correct about Canada needing to find new partners. Exports make up about a third of Canada’s gross domestic product (GDP). Almost 75 per cent of Canada’s total exports go to the United States. Without the US market, Canada will suffer immediate pain. If Canadians unite over a common enemy (America) they may be able to soldier on. At the beginning, with the rah-fah of emotion, it may work, but it gets old long term.

Like I said, Trump may want the Liberals to win so they can do more harm to Canada. An economically weaker Canada with stupid leadership makes negotiations easier. Trump is too smart to want Canada part of the US. Canada has a wealth of natural resources but the baggage and risks that come with integrating a socialist society are unacceptable. Canada will stay Canada but end up a poorer nation unless they can increase trade with other countries.

Many are wishing that America will implode but it is unlikely.

Trump has surrounded himself with likeminded people. If he is assassinated, Vance steps in and I doubt much will change. The leadership of Agencies have been replaced with people who are not part of the Swamp.

 

[shooterdon]

It's unfair how the EV tax is being levied. It should be by mileage driven for all cars. If using mileage my extra EV fee when registering my car every year would be about $130.

In my state, part of the tax on fuel goes to road work.

"Historically, state-generated revenue for Michigan transportation programs has come primarily from two “road taxes”—motor fuel taxes and vehicle registration taxes.1 Both of these tax sources are restricted for transportation purposes under section 9 of Article IX of the Michigan Constitution of 1963.2"

I would like to see the fuel tax eliminated and adopt your idea of taxation based on mileage for all vehicles. Maybe factor in weight as heavier vehicles cause more wear and tear on roads.