Really? Where? Dodge just re-introduced the 6.2L supercharged Hellcat this month! Who's forcing you to buy an EV?!?
I've never felt the least bit of pressure to buy an EV. Who is pressuring you?
I'm not sure why anyone would think battery swapping is the way to go. According to 3 seconds spent on Google, base-model Tesla's have battery capacities near 50 kWh, and their long-range models closer to 100 kWh. But they're also out there replacing their older 325 kW superchargers with new 500 kW models.
I've watched some videos of automatic battery swap stations in Japan and other countries (most of which have failed) and they are painfully slow. Anyone thinking it would be "easy" to design a common, fast swappable battery is not an engineer and has never worked in the automotive design field.
I agree, just pointing out that it has been attempted and is still being attempted.
Well it was about to get ugly pretty darn soon. California and the other 17 states that follow them were set to ban sales of new internal combustion passenger vehicles starting in 2035. Because of the long development and production cycles to manufacture and distribute vehicles, this likely would have starting having real effects on consumer choices even sooner.
I think both points are all in your imagination.
Even if it did happen in CA in 2035, which it's not, it'd after the new-car-buying lifetime of 99% of the members here, before it rolled out to less liberal states. Something like 3% of all Americans will buy a new car after age 75, and it's closer to 1% after age 80.
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It's not a "total non-issue", this is a very real situation. California was completely intent on banning sale of new ICE vehicles, and once Trump is out, they will likely try again. 17 other states have voted to take their vehicle regulations straight from what CA decides. This is close to HALF of the US passenger vehicle market. If you think that automakers would not change their total product offering strategy based upon this, you are not thinking clearly at all. And because vehicle platform engineering and investment decisions get made some 5 to 6 years ahead of actual production, the ban would effective kick in sooner in terms of product choices. Here is the map of the potentially affected states:Even if it did happen in CA in 2035, which it's not, it'd after the new-car-buying lifetime of 99% of the members here, before it rolled out to less liberal states. Something like 3% of all Americans will buy a new car after age 75, and it's closer to 1% after age 80.
How old will most of this forum be, by the time it actually passes in CA? How about KY, IL, or MI?!?
Total non-issue, for most of the old folks complaining about this fiction, of being forced to buy an EV.
You make good points, and the eventual outcome probably lies somewhere between these two extremes we've each laid out. What I have learned, in 50 years of watching legislative bans of various products, is that they always take much longer than initially proposed, but they do eventually happen.
You make a valid point with the electric grid. Maybe this will force our gov't to relax regulations on nuclear power. Or maybe give discounts on electric bills to those who charge at night when energy usage is at its lowest.The fact is:
Key dates for ICE car bans on new sales:
2025: Norway plans to ban new ICE car sales.
2030: The United Kingdom and several other European countries have set this target.
2035: California is phasing out the sale of new ICE vehicles, with the goal of having 100% zero-emission new passenger vehicles by this year. The European Union has also set a target of 100% emissions reduction for new cars and vans by 2035, which effectively bans new ICE vehicle sales.
So at 73, wife 71, we'll most likely never live to see the elimination of ICE vehicles...but things are never all that simple. EV purchasers were (and probably once again) getting Federal and State rebates. Where does that money come from? We pay a LOT of taxes, as does my 98 year old Mother who hasn't driven a car in years. Tax punishment for investment dividends & capital gains without reward.
My wife & I bought several new vehicles from a local Ford dealership. Their service department had to install new 50T lifts and equipment to service Mach-E Mustangs (as well as other EV makes). $hundredsK. Who pays for that? We do next new car or truck we buy, although ICE.
Now charging. The electric grid must be upgraded for that. Towers, sub-stations, wind, solar, deforestation, solar farms. Who pays for that? We do...higher electric bills.
Fast charging: I admit I know nothing of new battery technology but it's always been batteries last longer with a long slow charge.
I can fill our car with gas in 3-4 minutes. To equal that charging time would require several hundred Amps which equals lots of heat.
The idea of a fast R&R battery pack replacement I'm on the good idea side (whoever thought of that) and here's why:
EVs could certainly be designed with an easy procedure for that built into the frame. And yes it could be standardized with a few on hand. The replacement could be fully tested, "refurbished" so one would be getting a charged pack. OR they could instead opt out charging theirs. The downside to that would be cost. The station would have to price the swap accordingly.
The bottom line is historically technology changes and things are implemented never a permanent solution but trial & error at consumer's expense which is in fact another way of "force".
I've always said "today's new and improved is tomorrow's junk".
The dealership had to install the lifts and equipment to work on EVs, what we were told.
