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  1. WinterDeere

    truck rear suspension - air bags & Jounce springs

    Sorry, just saw this. Sometimes when maneuvering into a clearing in the woods, whether from a road or trail, there's just no room to swing a wider arc. Likewise in my own driveway, making the switchback turn that gets me up to my barn and storage area, or aligned to back down to the wood...
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    Is the Cyber Truck a Flop?

    The biggest subsidy Tesla ever received was their $0.5B ATVM loan, which they paid back 9 years early in 2013. Ford received 12 times that amount, $5.9B, and never repaid it. Nissan received $1.4B, and repaid it in 2017. The ATVM definitely helped them get off the ground, but it was a loan...
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    Good morning!!!!

    They still do, in southern Spain. I think it's always been less popular in the northern cities, where I was traveling this time, but even there some still do it. I will say, catching a 20 - 30 minute nap midday allows me to function just fine on 4 - 5 hours of sleep per night. Back when I had...
  4. WinterDeere

    Is the Cyber Truck a Flop?

    I think it's been a few years since subsidies were really a big factor for Tesla. Moreso for other makers later to the game.
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    Just can't get a good basic truck, like the old days!

    Price is cheap for 1/2 ton Ram, only $189. I just remembered I had a whole thread on this, awhile back: https://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/threads/truck-rear-suspension-air-bags-jounce-springs.479174/page-2 I've been using that trailer a whole lot less than previously, the last two years, so...
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    Just can't get a good basic truck, like the old days!

    Which air bag system did you go with? I only have a half ton, but I'm regularly pulling a 7k trailer with it, and it's forever tongue heavy. I want to avoid a WDH, because I off-road the trailer and end up having to jack knife it into some real tight spaces in the woods. WDH's really don't...
  7. WinterDeere

    Good morning!!!!

    I think we all adapt to our surroundings, to some degree, so you'd probably eventually fall into it. Oh, and remember that by the sun, their 10pm is our 8pm... that's how much later their sunrise and sunset is, by comparison to Philadelphia/NY time. Since leaving corporate life and becoming...
  8. WinterDeere

    Good morning!!!!

    It'd be interesting to see if Michigan upholds or blows up a personal theory of mine. I was in Spain recently, and noticed how everything happens late there. Peak lunch rush is 3pm, and no one eats dinner before 9pm, restaurants are most crowded around 10pm. But sunset in summer is after 10pm...
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    Just can't get a good basic truck, like the old days!

    Hellcats don't ride like Caddy's either! It's cool tech, and actually would be very useful in any tall pickup or SUV, for managing side roll. It'd also be a nice feature to soften the suspension when the truck isn't loaded, since any static suspension always has to be built stiff enough for...
  10. WinterDeere

    You Know You Are Old When

    I've told this here before, but when relatively fresh out of school, my wife and I used to work in the same department with two older engineers who had come out of retirement to help our start-up get off the ground. One day we walk into their office, and one of them stops mid-sentence to look...
  11. WinterDeere

    Good morning!!!!

    Assuming that photo was from yesterday? Not expecting sunrise in Michigan for another 2.5 hours, one of those states "late" in the time zone, at the western edge of it.
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    Just can't get a good basic truck, like the old days!

    Wow... talk about a misleading marketing name! I had to go look that up, thinking Chevy was putting both traction control and stability control into their trucks, which would indeed be a high-end feature. But no... "StabiliTrak" has nothing to do with stability control, it's just GM's lame...
  13. WinterDeere

    Good morning!!!!

    Been waking earlier and earlier these days, a sign of work stress or just getting old? Anyway, never thought I'd say "I wish I could just sleep in until 5am," back when I was a teen who could sleep until 10am when left to it. :ROFLMAO: Several hours of desk work today, and then some time in...
  14. WinterDeere

    You Know You Are Old When

    YKYO when you get this.
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    Tractors and wood! Show your pics

    Oh geez... with that sort of shade, you're probably fine! It's really cool you built that. Bus stop shelters like that used to be common around here when I was a kid, but much less so now, it seems everyone drives their kids to the bus stop now. It's nice to think that shelter you built may...
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    Tractors and wood! Show your pics

    Since it came out so beautifully, I'm sure you want it to last a long time! A lot of epoxies, even those made for boat building, are not very UV stable and must be coated in something to protect from UV. Even those labeled "UV stable" usually hold up better if coated, versus not. Might be...
  17. WinterDeere

    Just can't get a good basic truck, like the old days!

    The SRT cars have three traction control modes, and a big button on the dash which enables you to access and change them very quickly (< 1 second). Modes are "Street", "Sport", "Track". Street mode allows pretty minimal wheel spin, and track mode seems to be a full-disable, with sport mode...
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    Just can't get a good basic truck, like the old days!

    In some cases, it may have been true. Some early ABS implementations had only one or two solenoids, cycling pressure either to the entire system, or to both fronts or both rears at the same time. That was less than ideal, although probably still better and faster than most trying for manual...
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    Is the Cyber Truck a Flop?

    Non-profit entities may have different end goals.
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    Forcast

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    Just can't get a good basic truck, like the old days!

    Not if you run mud tires. :cool: My current tires are only BFG T/A KO2's, not exactly Ground Hawg's, but the lugs are still big enough to catch the edge of a boot sole and step up from a much more comfortable height.
  22. WinterDeere

    HELP! Seat frame

    I wouldn't worry at all about raising the height of the seat having any appreciable impact on center of gravity. It's a 4000 lb. tractor, easily over 5500 lb. with loader and ballast. Moving your 200 lb. rear a few inches higher is not going to have enormous effect. As to ROPS, I rarely use...
  23. WinterDeere

    Just can't get a good basic truck, like the old days!

    Same. Been doing that probably since I turned 40. My rear bumper height is nearly the same as the tire, but the tire is more accessible than the bumper, when the tailgate is down. I'm still young enough that I'll make fun of anyone who uses a tailgate step (@Jstpssng). But I know the reality...
  24. WinterDeere

    Is the Cyber Truck a Flop?

    I've worked for two different privately-owned businesses which had grown so large and successful that the founder of each began to think they could do no wrong... and then they did. I see Elon making the same mistakes, most notably at getting involved in politics and leading the DOGE under an...
  25. WinterDeere

    Tractors and wood! Show your pics

    Looks great. West System epoxy? Think the mix ratio was off, or just not mixed thoroughly? Odd for it to not cure after a few hours, especially at 1/8" thickness (thicker cures faster).
  26. WinterDeere

    You Know You Are Old When

    Bill Cosby Himself, he mentions his "$17,000 Ferrari". That will always stick with me... It's almost always shocking to look back, and realize how quickly standards in cost and salary have changed.
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    Stabil in the mix?

    What's the item in the bottom of the glass? Looks like mouse poop. :p
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    You Know You Are Old When

    That's pretty cool! And also a little depressing. :ROFLMAO: Those were my college and early working years. My daughter likes to really drive the nail home by calling my childhood "the olden days." I don't think she distinguishes between my youth in the 1970's - 1990's, from my parents in...
  29. WinterDeere

    John Deere 855 belly mower lift

    Ouch... $1300 isn't a terrible deal for antique NOS, but still... ouch! I may have already mentioned this, but the rising cost of parts for models so many years out of production, is one of the big reasons I finally sold my 855. It was a great little tractor, and I had little concern about JD...
  30. WinterDeere

    Leaf Vacuum

    I've been using Little Wonder blowers since about 1983, and I still think they have the best products in their class. The older walk-behind blowers used to dual-purpose as a vac, but now they have separate blower and vac products: https://littlewonder.com/products/vacuums/
  31. WinterDeere

    Reverse gear slow

    I know nothing about the particulars of a GR2000, but in nearly every other case with every hydrostatic tractor, loss or reduction of momentum in one direction with no apparent effect on the other direction is due to control linkage. Look for wear, slop, or a pin that's fallen out. With...
  32. WinterDeere

    John Deere 855 belly mower lift

    Deere doesn't still offer a radiator for that tractor? Surprising. There must be thousands of 855's in bone yards scattered across this country, so finding one second-hand should be an option, if not available new. I remember when every town had a radiator repair shop. Now they're specialty...
  33. WinterDeere

    Stabil in the mix?

    I'm not pretending it's anything great, or that it lives up to its marketing hype. But the reality is that any product with a 100% failure rate would not be at the top of the market, in terms of sales, especially after 20+ years on the shelves. Stabil may be crap, I certainly don't use it...
  34. WinterDeere

    Good morning!!!!

    lol... yeah. I could always understand the first line, "Do you remember, The 21st night of September?" Then not much else until the chorus, "Ba-dee-ya, say, do you remember? Ba-dee-ya, dancin' in September". In fact, I had to look up "Ba-dee-ya", since I always assumed they were singing some...
  35. WinterDeere

    Good morning!!!!

    Speaking of which... we don't want to miss our last chance for some classic 1970's video effects:
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    Stabil in the mix?

    I did this for many years, with pretty good results, but was eventually convinced there's a better way: You can't really run a carburetor dry. You can run a fuel tank and line dry, but the rubber metering diaphram in the carburetor is the primary failure point with ethanol fuel, and that area...
  37. WinterDeere

    Good morning!!!!

    My back yard is one big continuous hill, about 300 feet wide x 150 feet long, and then there are other steeper but shorter hills in the front and side yards. I maybe should have bought a self-propelled blower, but not thinking that through prior to purchase, I bought an EX-27 powered...
  38. WinterDeere

    Pto extender

    Meet your new best friend, if not already acquainted:
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    Pto extender

    ^ This. I would never even consider hammering on or pulling on my tractor's PTO stub, without at least understanding how it's captured, since every one has different internals and different susceptibility to axial push/pull forces. Last thing you want to do is damage a ball or roller bearing...
  40. WinterDeere

    PRICED OUTTA SIGHT...

    Based on invoice value of imported item. So, if tractor is assembled in the USA, then tariff is based on cost of each imported component or subassembly. But if tractor is assembled outside the country and then imported, tariff is based on price paid by importer for assembled tractor. Of...
  41. WinterDeere

    You Know You Are Old When

    lol... I remember watching a lot of "too red" or "too green" TV. No way was I getting up and crawling behind the TV or flipping down that little silly access panel to adjust tint, everytime a channel went wonky! Get @oldballs out here! I think he's in his early 90's.
  42. WinterDeere

    You Know You Are Old When

    I'm so glad I got rid of all my CRT's way back when you could still sit them on the curb and expect some young poor bachelor to grab it up. I was cleaning out my mother's house this summer, and found a few old small CRT's. I threw them in the garbage, and then was told by other family members...
  43. WinterDeere

    Treating trailer deck; UNDERNEATH

    Transparent sealers are mostly boiled linseed oil, which saturates the surface of the wood with oil as a method of displacing water and preventing the wood fibers from soaking up water by mechanical capillary action. Put otherwise, is the capillary gaps in the fibers are already saturated with...
  44. WinterDeere

    You Know You Are Old When

    How about when your youth was filled with people born 2 centuries prior? I remember plenty of people born in the late 19th century, three of my great-grandparents among them, and now we're in the 21st. But I'm not that old, I suspect some of you might remember people born before the Civil War!
  45. WinterDeere

    Treating trailer deck; UNDERNEATH

    I'd love to have another barn, with room for my trailers. Unfortunately, it's cheaper to replace trailers every 20 years, than build one barn. :ROFLMAO:
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    Treating trailer deck; UNDERNEATH

    It'll be interesting to find out! I'd have said exactly the same, right up thru year 7 or 8, as it felt solid one day, and then spongy the next time I pulled it out. A few months after that, my foot went thru a board. IOW, it went from seeming 100% to shot, real fast. Not much in the way of...
  47. WinterDeere

    Treating trailer deck; UNDERNEATH

    I think it depends on storage location. The PT yellow pine wood deck rotted out on my trailer after just 8-9 years, but I store in a cove in the woods to keep sun off the tires, paint, and wiring. Steel still looks great, only very minor surface rust on brakes and anywhere it's been scratched...
  48. WinterDeere

    Whatever you feel like thread.

    Yeah, wasn't implying it was. I was just throwing it out there as one possibility. The only time I've ever lost a rod cap was due to my own lack of care, keeping oil checked and topped up on an engine that I knew consumed it. Bottom end failures on engines with good top ends and good...
  49. WinterDeere

    You Know You Are Old When

    I looked this up, wondering if this might be how that mellon got its name. No answer on that, but Google did tell me it's illegal to sell any food for human consumption out of horse troughs. If someone bothered to write such a law in the books, it means someone was doing it! :D
  50. WinterDeere

    Whatever you feel like thread.

    You said you did, in your last post? I think some of the Kawi's spec checking valve lash as frequently as 200 hours, check the manual for yours. I think my own is more like 400 - 600 hours. Usually, the lift reduces, so it's likely not an interference issue. But it could be a failure to open...
  51. WinterDeere

    Whatever you feel like thread.

    How often did you check valve lash? Supposed to be every 600 hours, on most Kawi’s.
  52. WinterDeere

    Stabil in the mix?

    It seems that all the name-brand 2-stroke oils have it, these days. But the bigger issue is... who's storing 2-stroke mix long enough for that to matter? Most 2-stroke engines require a pretty high minimum octane, and octane diminishes with days on the shelf in an unconditioned shed. Never...
  53. WinterDeere

    Good morning!!!!

    That's the funny thing... I dump these in the creek, then buy walnuts at the store. They're such a terrible mess to husk, that it's just not worth the trouble to DIY them. I rigged a few Bag-a-Nut pickers to my ZTR. They're great in concept, but the implementation must have been handed over...
  54. WinterDeere

    Good morning!!!!

    I have 100 productive walnut trees in a 4 acre yard. It'd be like driving on marbles by early October, if I didn't pick them up each week! They also tend to kill the grass, and generally make a mess of everything. I hope fish like 'em, because I dump a pickup truck load or more of them into...
  55. WinterDeere

    Good morning!!!!

    Well, quoting myself, but I went out, hooked up the walnut harvesters, and picked about 1.5 cubic yards of walnuts out of the lawn. Ran out of daylight, but the job is 60% done, so on track to be a 2.0 - 2.5 cubic yard week. I usually like to wait until I can mow right after picking up the...
  56. WinterDeere

    Good morning!!!!

    I've found very loud cars are a better solution. In the last 20 years, I've had precisely 2 jump out in front of me, and one of those was more of an accidental tumble down a steep hill than a jump. My wife, in her quieter cars with whistles on the same roads? Dozens per year, hundreds per...
  57. WinterDeere

    Good morning!!!!

    5pm. Two hours of sunlight left, plenty of desk work left to do. Trying to decide whether to just plow through into the evening, or take advantage of two hours of remaining sunlight to start some cutting and welding, or walnut harvesting. Not enough time to finish either effort before dark...
  58. WinterDeere

    Good morning!!!!

    Funny coincidence, this Classic just popped up in my YouTube shorts. Greatest working-man’s film of all time.
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    Good morning!!!!

    There's a Wines & Spirits store near here that has this problem, it seems they have someone drive thru the store front about once every 6 months. Second-hand information says its mostly elderly drivers, mixing up the gas and brake. I worked at a gas station as a teen, and remember one such...
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    You Know You Are Old When

    Weird! GE had a working toaster by 1909... you'd think someone would want an outlet for that, alone! :ROFLMAO: The venerable KitchenAid mixer that everyone's mother owned was on the market by 1919, and the first electric clothes iron beat that by almost 40 years (1882), although they...
  61. WinterDeere

    How to sell a car you want off road only?

    Purpose-built race cars, e.g. Dodge Challenger Drag Pak, are sold without VIN or title. I'm no lawyer, but I believe if you sell it with no title, then owner cannot put it on the road without doing title restoration, which usually comes with inspection requirement. Agreed that $1200 seems...
  62. WinterDeere

    You Know You Are Old When

    You're going to have to help me, with that one. I guess I'm not that old!
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    Question on bar length (East coast!)

    ... but unweildy when felling. My 36" Rollomatic ES bar takes some real effort to hold horizontal, when starting face cuts.
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    What's the best microwave oven???

    Both of our microwaves in this house were built in ca.1995... both still running. I have replaced almost every part except the cabinet and keypad on the big one in the kitchen, at this point. But it still beats re-doing cabinetry to make a new "standard" microwave fit an old "pre-standard"...
  65. WinterDeere

    Good morning!!!!

    How'd it go?
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    What's the best microwave oven???

    Best? What's your available power? :ROFLMAO: I make parts used for microwave heating, up to 100,000 watts!
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    Question on bar length (East coast!)

    We had two of those Mac 10-10's, when I was growing up. They were stolen by a rotten family member. 😠
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    Question on bar length (East coast!)

    I run skip chain on my 36" bar, since I sold my 135 cc saw and now run that bar on "only" 85cc. It's a good way to reduce the horsepower required to pull a long chain thru a big log, but make no mistake... it does not cut at the same speed! Skip = half as many cutters per inch of chain, so if...
  69. WinterDeere

    Fun or interesting photos from the farm, etc....

    Not exactly a farm photo, but my first tractor, nonetheless. Me at the wheel, my younger brother in the wagon. Photo from July 1977, likely taken somewhere along Lurgan Rd. New Hope, maybe at the old one-room schoolhouse we used to own down there. I'm having trouble remembering the barn or...
  70. WinterDeere

    You Know You Are Old When

    I grew up with one of those, made by my grandfather out of a 1930’s pickup bed. Mom sold it decades ago, but I sure do wish I could find it now!
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    Question on bar length (East coast!)

    Same, but let's be clear, as folks are coming at this from two different directions: 1. A longer bar in smaller wood does not require substantially more horsepower. 2. But as soon as you find yourself cutting larger wood that has the bar buried, the horsepower requirement goes way up. Using...
  72. WinterDeere

    Good morning!!!!

    Uh oh... hope you're okay there, Ken! ... and thanks for the near-PTSD-level reminder of reason no.4156, why I hated corporate life, so much. :ROFLMAO:
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    Fun or interesting photos from the farm, etc....

    This reminds me I need to get around to scanning photos, I have dozens of albums filled with family photos from the 1860's onward, and only a handful of them ever digitized. But speaking of farms, here's one from my great-grandparents, which you have probably all seen more than you realize...
  74. WinterDeere

    You Know You Are Old When

    If rust weren't such a problem where we live, I'd still be driving my 2005 Dodge Ram with manual transmission. I think that truck cost me all of $26k new, and was the best truck I ever owned... until the door corners and fenders started rusting badly enough it was deemed "cosmetically...
  75. WinterDeere

    Good morning!!!!

    Old house nut, here. Not unusual for a house to pre-date any record of deed. My family owned one house until the 1990's, that had been built in 1692, on land they did not receive a grant from the Penn family until 1726. In other cases, even when deed records go back as far as the suspected...
  76. WinterDeere

    You Know You Are Old When

    Speaking of vehicles, I'm about to hop into the RAM to take my daughter to an evening activity. First words out of my mouth are going to be "Play album: ... and Justice for All." It's going to drive her nuts... she hates metal. :ROFLMAO: Not all technology is bad.
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    Blew out a tire...or something

    Any engineer supplying product to the government (in my case, Army) knows well the "probability/impact" risk tables, that accompany every risk management analysis. Anything that's either "high probability" or "high impact" requires a resolution, and those which are both are usually gating items...
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    Who plugs tires?

    Not so difficult. Found this, with about 2.5 seconds spent on Google: Are tire plugs legal? Yes, plugs are legal, but they are not USTMA-approved as permanent repairs. Source: Nail in Tire? Guide to Tire Repair, Plugs, Patches & Fixes.
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    You Know You Are Old When

    Adaptive cruise can be quite fun in a 500 hp car, when the car ahead of you turns off the road at low speed. My local Dodge dealer was telling me of playing with adaptive cruise on the Charger SRT 392's, when it first came out, and using it to follow another car up the expressway, off an exit...
  80. WinterDeere

    You Know You Are Old When

    I don't mind the second or two it takes to disable it, as much as the $1500 I spent on adding that option I didn't really want, just because it was part of some option group that contained one other option I did want. :ROFLMAO:
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    You Know You Are Old When

    ?? I don't understand. All of our cars have all of these options, but they retain the memory of their last setting. I usually turn them ALL off, the very first time I drive the car, and then can forget they even exist, thereafter. But my wife likes them turned on in her car, so I just toggle...
  82. WinterDeere

    Blew out a tire...or something

    Reminds me of my wife's old Volvo V50 T5 R-design. Galvanic reaction between the valve stems and alloy wheels on our salty roads had two of the four valve stems snap off within weeks of one-another. Expensive little buggers, with integrated TPMS's. I decided to just replace all four, after...
  83. WinterDeere

    Who plugs tires?

    I had always thought that tubes inside tubeless tires at road speeds were legitimately dangerous, due to friction and heating at high speed. Not true? I use them in tractor and mower tires, when all options to remain tubeless have been exhausted, but never even considered a tube in an on-road...
  84. WinterDeere

    Ideas to patch a cracked seat?

    ... or the adhesive goes too soft in a hot shed in summer, and fails to hold up to the stress of the crack pulling apart. I've found tapes that work in summer, and I've found tapes that work in winter, but I've never found any that hold up on a seat in all seasons. They either crack in winter...
  85. WinterDeere

    Ideas to patch a cracked seat?

    I did the tape thing for a few years on my seat, but eventually broke down and replaced... on two different tractors. :D
  86. WinterDeere

    Who plugs tires?

    I've plugged the outer tread / shoulder, and drove on it a week or more, until I could get new tires ordered. I was always told it was likely to fail, so never tried stretching it long-term, but it did hold at least awhile.
  87. WinterDeere

    Blew out a tire...or something

    Not likely. Valve stems can be pushed in, but generally the only way to get them out is thru the inside, or physically breaking them off. Like others have said, you're likely going to find it floating around inside the tire, or at least the back flange of it.
  88. WinterDeere

    Good morning!!!!

    Been running a sprinkler around the yard, roughly 8 hours per day, the last two weeks! Not trying to water the yard, that'd be impractical, just keeping the fresh seed on a few badly-needed repair areas from drying out too badly.
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    Who plugs tires?

    I suspect the goal is also to put the two halves of the loop between the cords of the original penetration, as they're pulled back into the hole. Four cords fill a round hole better than two, as all components try conform to each other.
  90. WinterDeere

    Who plugs tires?

    Interesting. The only one I've ever used has the forked eyelet, with a narrow gap at the tip. Like you said, it leaves the loop in the tire, but only after pulling it half way back thru, I think. I suspect what's left inside looks like a 2-petal clover leaf. ... and this is why I always...
  91. WinterDeere

    Good morning!!!!

    In my case, raising the deductible did not make a huge difference, but our HO insurance premium is relatively low compared to the value of the property. Perhaps in your case, with rising premiums, it's worth asking for a quote with a $15k deductible? I always wondered why they set the...
  92. WinterDeere

    Who plugs tires?

    That is interesting. Never heard that before! I always figured the tails inside were more for mechanical holding, like a drywall anchor, than sealing.
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    The Resting Place.

    lol... I paid to sign up for Apple TV, just to get the movie Greyhound, as it was exclusive to that platform when it was first released. :ROFLMAO: I canceled a few months later, since I wasn't finding much else there that I felt was worth watching, which I couldn't get on one of the other...
  94. WinterDeere

    Good morning!!!!

    Mostly correct, but also some circuits that put a lot of noise onto the circuit can cause false trips in GFCI's, such as any motor circuit with a VFD. So, if that mag drill has a VFD, it may not be an indication of an insulation problem.
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    New Carburetor

    More often on 2-stroke carburetors, it’s hardening of the rubber diaphragm that meters fuel, caused by ethanol. Soaking it in 2-stroke oil or even non-ethanol fuel usually gets it pliable and working again. I wonder if the chemical in your ultrasonic has the same rejuvenating effect on rubber...
  96. WinterDeere

    Blew out a tire...or something

    Bead is where probably 99% of all slow leaks originate. It's the most susceptable area, with regard to dirt, scratches, or debris. A slight deformation isn't a problem, tire will conform to it, but a scratch or sharp dent will usually require bead sealer to seal up. Those bicycles have tubed...
  97. WinterDeere

    Good morning!!!!

    Greenwich is a good 15F cooler than here, so I guess that's not a huge surprise. They were wild and common here, at least thru the 1970's, as I remember my father always bringing home his allotment every year when I was a kid. The flocks started thinning by 1980, and were really suffering by...
  98. WinterDeere

    Good morning!!!!

    Here's something interesting: I saw a female pheasant in our yard yesterday afternoon. It is the first one I've seen in roughly 15 years of living here, and honestly, the first female I've seen since 1988. I used to hunt pheasant on a family farm in New Hope, and I remember when they all...
  99. WinterDeere

    Blew out a tire...or something

    That's how I've always done it. Never even thought to try a ratchet strap! :rolleyes: :ROFLMAO: They call me "old school", now I know why. Agreed with: 1. Try to fix and keep tubeless, if possible. This includes resorting to bead sealer if rim is sketchy. 2. If all attempts to stay...
  100. WinterDeere

    Good morning!!!!

    This is from memory, so forgive me if the wording isn't perfect: "I wish you young folk would take better care, and consider what kind of planet you're leaving behind for Keith and I." -- Willie Nelson, referring to Keith Richards Personally, I can't stand the music, but I do like the man...
  101. WinterDeere

    Who plugs tires?

    That's really surprising. I have plugged maybe 10-15 tires in 35 years of driving, and every last one of them held. Even those that were real questionable, like right at transition from tread to sidewall or in a tire worn totally bald, the plugs held. My use of the kit is infrequent enough, I...
  102. WinterDeere

    Good morning!!!!

    Welding new battery boxes onto a trailer, and doing some rust removal and painting work? Yeah... not very fun. :ROFLMAO:
  103. WinterDeere

    What is some of your Pet Peeve's

    Growing up, our family dog was a golden lab / German shephard mix that my parents adopted from the ASPCA shelter. Mom was adicted to Breyer's vanilla fudge icecream, and so there was basically always a half gallon container of that in the freezer. We must've gone through more than a container...
  104. WinterDeere

    You Know You Are Old When

    Same. In fact, I'm re-working my winch rig now, moving the batteries (2x Group 39) to rear of trailer, to remove some of the associated tongue weight.
  105. WinterDeere

    The Resting Place.

    Oh, and any of you guys who've managed to not see Tom Hanks' Greyhound already, you're missing one of the best WW2 Naval movies ever made. Definitely one of my favorite new movies of the last 10 years.
  106. WinterDeere

    The Resting Place.

    It's called clubhauling, and was actually a commonly-used method on old sailing ships in battle. I can't imagine it working on a 20th century battleship, though. Too much mass and too much horsepower involved, a whole different scale of operation. Also, Iowa class battleships are...
  107. WinterDeere

    Tractors and wood! Show your pics

    To add to the list, they're absolute masters of hide and seek. We used to let our chickens free-range, until hawks became such a prevalent problem in our yard that we had to stop the practice. After a hawk attack, the rest of the flock would run and hide, and I can tell you they're just about...
  108. WinterDeere

    You Know You Are Old When

    Hanging out here makes me feel young. :p I'm in my 50's.
  109. WinterDeere

    The Resting Place.

    One thing I've noticed about both music and movies, is that your enjoyment of them is highly dependent on your age and perspective at the time you first saw them. It's why old people prefer movies and actors that their kids fail to appreciate. Regarding John Wayne, I think he's a great man who...
  110. WinterDeere

    The Resting Place.

    Hey, I wasn't even born when it came out! I thought I'd watched all of the greats, albeit mostly decades after release, but I guess I missed that one! Westerns are a funny thing, tho. For me, the Eastood's hold up well, even the most plagarized one of all time: The Good, The Bad, and The...
  111. WinterDeere

    Good morning!!!!

    I run a bottle of this decalcifier thru my espresso machine every month... at least when I remember. Back when I ran a regular Bunn A10 pour-over machine (similar to your Cuisinart drip, but with an always-hot boiler), I'd run a bottle of this thru just once or twice per year:
  112. WinterDeere

    The Resting Place.

    I guess I'm going to have to watch that movie. I hope it holds up so many years later, and isn't too cliche after all that have copied it.
  113. WinterDeere

    Tractors and wood! Show your pics

    I keep stuff down to maybe 4" - 6", depending on straightness and condition, when it falls in my own yard. Might as well split and stack it, rather than making it go away any other way. But when I'm out harvesting in a forest on on someone else's property, which is what I described above, I...
  114. WinterDeere

    Tractors and wood! Show your pics

    It's not just the stacking of crooked stuff that bothers me, my OCD needs to see clean straight stacks, but it also affects how much wood I can pack into each of my stoves. I'll never have any hope of heating this big old castle with just two large wood stoves, but the reality is that the more...
  115. WinterDeere

    Tractors and wood! Show your pics

    Call me spoiled, but most of my firewood logs are every bit as straight as that. They're oak, hickory, or ash instead of pine, but I won't even bother dragging home anything that's not pin-straight. There's just too much primo stuff out there, to waste hours on trying to split or stack crooked...
  116. WinterDeere

    Good morning!!!!

    No Morse code component, anymore? I took an evening course with my father back in the mid-1980's, preparing for the Amateur exam. He was big into ham when he was younger, and was hoping I'd also get into it, but I just never had the same interest. I remember taking exams, although they may...
  117. WinterDeere

    You Know You Are Old When

    American, for "dungarees". :p
  118. WinterDeere

    You Know You Are Old When

    Dungarees are denim. Britches are the short pants that end just below the knee, worn with high stockings... like 18th century clam diggers. I just wear jeans and chinos, but I guess I had picked up more voculabulary on the history of men's attire from historically-set movies, than I had...
  119. WinterDeere

    You Know You Are Old When

    These words have distinct meanings, but they've been lost to time and tradition. "Trousers" is simply British for pants, any type. But "slacks" are specifically what we'd call modern dress pants, usually wool. I believe the name "slacks" came from comparison to the older (18th century) style...
  120. WinterDeere

    What bugs/diseases/critters have ya'll seen that weren't around 30-40 years ago?

    My brother hit an elk in a Jeep Wrangler, back in the 1990's. No damage to the elk, but the front bumper of the Wrangler bent back to where it was rubbing the front tire. Elk looked at him as if to say, "you a--hole", and then wandered off into the woods.
  121. WinterDeere

    Theft / safety lock

    My older Yanmar would only run glow plugs if temperature was under maybe 40F. But the new one doesn’t runthem until temps are down closer to maybe 20F. In either case, just turning the key starts the machine, glow plugs or not, and it never has any serious trouble firing, when I forget to wait...
  122. WinterDeere

    You Know You Are Old When

    Geez…this got dark, all of a sudden.
  123. WinterDeere

    Tractors and wood! Show your pics

    I have the same questions, so I'll try to rephrase what I think BackRoad was asking... Usually, girdling a tree will kill it, as the standard process is to cut thru not only the bark, but also the sapwood. At least that's how I've always seen the term used, and this leaves standing dead...
  124. WinterDeere

    What bugs/diseases/critters have ya'll seen that weren't around 30-40 years ago?

    Homosapien, in North America? (I know it's not one word, but when I try to spell it correctly, the forum censors it to **** sapien. :ROFLMAO: )
  125. WinterDeere

    Where do mice like to hide in your tractor and chew wires ?

    For sure! I use the metal ones for chicken feed, stored outdoors near the coop. But I've honestly never had trouble with Rubbermaid for grass seed in the shed.
  126. WinterDeere

    You Know You Are Old When

  127. WinterDeere

    The Resting Place.

    Just one of many great movies, from each of them. (y) I recently enjoyed the Duvall one with Haley Joel Osmet: Second-Hand Lions.
  128. WinterDeere

    The Resting Place.

    It's going to be real tough picking a favorite, on some of his contemporaries. Dinero? Eastwood? Duvall? Costner would be another, although he's 20 years or more behind the rest.
  129. WinterDeere

    Just goofing around with AI... hahahaha

    It's all fun and games, until the hitch receiver falls off. :p
  130. WinterDeere

    The Resting Place.

    I knew that, sorry if my post implied otherwise. Then again, at Clint's age, we're sadly not far from the implication being irrelevant. No one gets to live forever.
  131. WinterDeere

    The Resting Place.

    Whoa... that's a biggie. Right up there with Eastwood and Hackman, not so much in my personal preference, but at least in reputation.
  132. WinterDeere

    What bugs/diseases/critters have ya'll seen that weren't around 30-40 years ago?

    We have that stuff. It loves to choke off evergreens. This seems to have the potential to make our forests even more deciduous / less evergreen, than they already are, in this mid-Atlantic region.
  133. WinterDeere

    What bugs/diseases/critters have ya'll seen that weren't around 30-40 years ago?

    Partly true. But I thought even more residents of Georgia up thru Virginia were moving to Florida, than those of us from the northeast.
  134. WinterDeere

    Where do mice like to hide in your tractor and chew wires ?

    I can only imagine what it'd look like, if he got near a spark or flame. Those little effers move fast enough, when they're not on fire!
  135. WinterDeere

    What bugs/diseases/critters have ya'll seen that weren't around 30-40 years ago?

    EHD? Don't know that one. We have CWD here, and while not super-widespread yet in our area, there seems to be a lot of concern about it potentially jumping the species barrier through consumption of venison. It hasn't happened yet in nature, to my knowledge, but apparently it's been shown to...
  136. WinterDeere

    Barndominium/Shop or "real" House?

    You'd do well to join up at hearth.com, the tractorbynet of the wood stove world. I heat my house with two wood stoves, and like most who do this full time, made the transition from non-cat to catalytic, many years ago. Non-cats can work fine, if you're only running them when heat demand is...
  137. WinterDeere

    Push over trees with a small compact?

    Yeah, you don't want to run yourself over! :ROFLMAO: I never use a ROPS or belt, but I also can't really see myself hitting anything larger than the field mice or bunnies that occasionally pop up in front of the mower at the last second. But you remind me of a funny story from a buddy who...
  138. WinterDeere

    Good morning!!!!

    I understand the sentiment, but did you actually ever buy firearms at Dicks? I've always bought all of my guns from mom-and-pop gun stores, with personnel who actually know their product, can order in exactly what you want, and have the wherewithall to support it when you need mod's or have an...
  139. WinterDeere

    Treating trailer deck; UNDERNEATH

    I'm in the process of replacing my trailer decking, switching from PT YP to white oak. I just picked up a gallon of Thompsons, with which I'll treat both sides and edges before installing. I'd never use a water sealer on S4S YP, it'd be as slippery and dangerous as an ice rink. But I'm...
  140. WinterDeere

    Good morning!!!!

    I've spent the whole morning with an air hose in hand, grinding and needle scaling some steel for a trailer project. I've been using the same 1/2" or 5/8" Goodyear oil-resistant rubber air hose for at least 25 years, as it's the only hose that never stiffens at all in the cold. I hate cheap...
  141. WinterDeere

    Barndominium/Shop or "real" House?

    Different type and size of liner, in general. Gas stoves operate on smaller (e.g. 4") liners, and are more often than not uninsulated. Wood stoves mostly operate on 6" stainless liners, and because most masonry chimneys are assumed to fail modern requirements and because new stove efficiencies...
  142. WinterDeere

    Push over trees with a small compact?

    I wouldn't even worry about it, unless selling or loaning it out. I was always told to leave seltbelt off, if mowing ROPS-down.
  143. WinterDeere

    What bugs/diseases/critters have ya'll seen that weren't around 30-40 years ago?

    Yes, that's correct. The "modern" coyote is only 10,000 years old. The coyotes migrating into Florida as much as 3 million years ago were their ancestors.
  144. WinterDeere

    What is some of your Pet Peeve's

    One of my friends was killed as a teen (30+ years ago), by a school bus that had a turn signal on, but then blew straight through an intersection instead of turning. It was her fault for trusting a turn signal, I remember that as one of the key lessons when learning to drive. But it appears...
  145. WinterDeere

    What bugs/diseases/critters have ya'll seen that weren't around 30-40 years ago?

    Coyotes are nothing new in Florida, and in fact they DID enter during past cold snaps, going way back to the Pliocene. It’s hard to argue with bones and fossil evidence. They seem to have wandered their way out prior to recorded history, which is why people at one time thought they were not...
  146. WinterDeere

    Good morning!!!!

    I had plans to close the pool this weekend, but given the high temps, I’m re-thinking that plan. Looks like more low-80’s next weekend, too! I let the water go cold, solar cover is off to make leaf management easier, and heater is turned off to save money. Debating throwing solar cover back...
  147. WinterDeere

    You Know You Are Old When

    No need to open valves when only dragging a few feet. I’ve done it many times over 20 years, with no damage ever. But I’d not want to tow it hundreds of feet across the yard without opening them.
  148. WinterDeere

    Electricity usage

    I still haven’t found LED’s that I’m happy with, so I’m still running mostly incandescent and halogen. Of course they’re getting more expensive and harder to find, so I’ve been switching a few things less glaring to LED’s. So far, it seems most of the warm (< 3000K) bulbs still have relatively...
  149. WinterDeere

    Electricity usage

    Whoa! This year, thanks to some LED conversion and using wood and oil for primary heating, we have our electric usage down to 1800 to 3700 kWh per month. We used to be regularly over 4000 kWh, back in the days of all incandescent and CRT monitors and TV's. Our biggest months are July and...
  150. WinterDeere

    You Know You Are Old When

    Or run a line or cable thru a block centered on the front of the trailer. But like you said… hard to argue with success. One screw in each wheel motor releases the wheels, and is necessary to prevent damage when towing more than a few feet. I think it’s just 1/4 turn on each, but it’s been a...
  151. WinterDeere

    Tractors and wood! Show your pics

    That’s a pile to envy. All nice diameters that can be processed quickly and efficiently. My piles are all nice straight stuff, but a much wider range of sizes, and usually including a few monsters that you just know are going to be a PITA.
  152. WinterDeere

    Good morning!!!!

    I have a covered porch wrapping around two sides of our 1775 addition, with mahogany T&G decking installed in the 1990's. Despite being covered and on a dry hill, the decking is still rotting from the back side.
  153. WinterDeere

    What is some of your Pet Peeve's

    Well, I said "should", not "would". :D Our government and police never fail to stay well behind the times, when it comes to technology.
  154. WinterDeere

    What is some of your Pet Peeve's

    I have no idea the process, but you'd think that information like that should be available in their driver's license database.
  155. WinterDeere

    Good morning!!!!

    From about age 3, the only cheeses my daughter would eat were those aged at least 3 years. We used to joke that she wouldn't touch any food costing under $25/lb., and that habit still holds today. But given things like cheese, beer, cigars and Scotch aren't exactly daily dietary requirements...
  156. WinterDeere

    Good morning!!!!

    That bender looks very, very familiar. Did you by chance buy it from one of the local middle schools, in the Central Bucks district?
  157. WinterDeere

    Good morning!!!!

    Russian drones scared them off. :p I saw at least 3 or 4 this morning, just walking from where I park my truck to my back door.
  158. WinterDeere

    Battery powered chainsaw

    No damage to the contacts on the tool? I deal with blown-up connectors as part of my job, ableit a different industry, and it's rare to see one side fail without also taking out its mate.
  159. WinterDeere

    You Know You Are Old When

    Maybe your standards have just gone up? :ROFLMAO:
  160. WinterDeere

    What is some of your Pet Peeve's

    Agreed. Difficult to enforce who in a household is going to use a handicapped placard, once issued. But it'd be fairly simple to print a big bold expiration date on those mirror-danglers, with the date set according to the reason of issuance. You don't need to be handing out "forever" stamps...
  161. WinterDeere

    Guess which state has the most people killed by alligators?

    Probably the origin of that old saying: "If it's black, fight back. If it's brown, lay down. If it's white, say goodnight." :ROFLMAO:
  162. WinterDeere

    Guess which state has the most people killed by alligators?

    Not PA! We have lots of bears, but they're all the scaredy-pants black variety. Without cheating and looking anything up, I'd bet Wyoming might have the most brown bears per square mile. But I think they also have the lowest population density in the lower 48, which would limit encounters.
  163. WinterDeere

    Tractors and wood! Show your pics

    The thing that I've hit more than any other when sawing yard trees is ceramic overhead wiring insulators. And they're worse than hitting metal, as I can always feel metal the second I hit it and stop before there's much chain damage. But the chain can ride smoothly enough over those ceramic...
  164. WinterDeere

    Where do mice like to hide in your tractor and chew wires ?

    The only time I've ever had mice get into my shed is when I leave the doors open in the fall. Which now that I think of it, I did while mowing last night. :oops: There's no food or water in there, it's stifling hot in summer... not exactly a place anyone will ever want to set up their home...
  165. WinterDeere

    What is some of your Pet Peeve's

    :unsure:
  166. WinterDeere

    What is some of your Pet Peeve's

    Whoa... life is too short, dude. Don't let the little stuff bother you. :D I find them comical, not annoying. What's more amusing than a fat guy on a motorcycle?
  167. WinterDeere

    Real estate General topic

    Our inspector/realtor tried to convince us of the same, so we asked to have some rotten window sills repaired. The seller rightfully told us, "go pound sand, it's a 300 year old house!" :ROFLMAO: I'm sure I'll be telling some young buyer the same thing, 20 years from now. :D
  168. WinterDeere

    Good morning!!!!

    One of my regular digs. Been going there since 30 years before it carried that name. IMO, it was much better back when it was run as the Sign of the Sorrel Horse, but it's still an experience. My sister actually had her wedding reception there.
  169. WinterDeere

    Good morning!!!!

    You mean in the rim? Nope, they're just there to clear the mounting screw ears used in round skimmer lids or box extenders. They're small enough that there's still overlap with the mating surface on which the basket lip sits.
  170. WinterDeere

    Battery powered chainsaw

    ... and not to mention, what the hell is a "picco"? I agree with you, they should be arranged: milli micro nano pico
  171. WinterDeere

    Trailer painting advice

    Right now, the plan is to scrub the mounting rails where the decking attaches, and HVLP with red oxide primer and then gloss black enamel, but not do the whole trailer. Areas that are chipped and rusting will be touched up accordingly, with some combination of HVLP, rattle can, and brush...
  172. WinterDeere

    Good morning!!!!

    You'd do well to get a tower type basket, as they don't jam up the pump as bad, when they fill up with leaves. I remember when I ran those old style baskets you have, one time the pump even sucked the basket down into the skimmer housing, I had to bust up the basket to get it back out. Other...
  173. WinterDeere

    What is some of your Pet Peeve's

    That's frustrating. And from the other side of the fence, that nice young lady may get frustrated being the face of such a company, and leave if she doesn't have family ties to it.
  174. WinterDeere

    Share Pics of People Hauling or Towing Something Wrong

    You haven't driven with my wife! She managed to roll a jeep on the PA turnpike, doing about 70 mph. I don't think she even knows how many times it tumbled, before landing on the roof, wheels in the air. Then she totaled the car that replaced it, six weeks later. :ROFLMAO:
  175. WinterDeere

    What is some of your Pet Peeve's

    Clear message: "Our time is more valuable than yours."
  176. WinterDeere

    Good morning!!!!

    Same problem, here. I've gotten into the habit of throwing the winter cover on now, even though I let the pump and chlorinator continue to run until water temperature is below 65F (October), just to cut down on having to empty the skimmer basket every few hours. But then you end up with a mess...
  177. WinterDeere

    Battery powered chainsaw

    Hurricane Sandy passed right over our house in 2012, turning the whole area into what looked like a post-war zone. I spent at least 5 - 6 years cleaning up giant oaks and ash that blew down in that storm, and were all propped atop one another like big Ø40 inch x 200 foot pickup sticks. As I...
  178. WinterDeere

    Share Pics of People Hauling or Towing Something Wrong

    The good news is that inertia would have carried him toward the passenger side and then the inverted floor, away from the point of impact.
  179. WinterDeere

    Battery powered chainsaw

    I also use my T435 one-handed when limbing, but it's very unsafe, as it's impossible to control kickback with just one wrist. If you don't believe me, I have a scar in the midddle of my head to prove it. Thankfully my baseball hat and a quick trigger finger were enough to prevent more serious...
  180. WinterDeere

    Tractors and wood! Show your pics

    Too likely to contain metal or ceramic hardware, is what I've been told.
  181. WinterDeere

    Battery powered chainsaw

    Looks like a good saw to mount to my zero turn. I sometimes spend half the summer telling myself, "I should trim that low branch" while mowing, only to forget to go back and do it before the next mowing. But if I had a saw always mounted on the mower...
  182. WinterDeere

    The day the music died.

    Never liked Supertramp, but I do have to admit "The Logical Song" was pretty good.
  183. WinterDeere

    Battery powered chainsaw

    The accompanying optional fire suppression system might be even larger. :p
  184. WinterDeere

    Tractors and wood! Show your pics

    It splits easy, and smells nice while you're stacking it. But it has very low BTU value, and leaves about twice as much ash in the stove per BTU, as most of the other woods I burn. My yard is mostly black walnut trees, I harvest a pickup truck load or two per week of those damn nuts, every...
  185. WinterDeere

    What is some of your Pet Peeve's

    The people who implement these systems seem to think we still live in a world with people who don't have internet access. By the time I've gone to the trouble to find a phone number and physically dial a company, you'd better believe that any answer I need can only be serviced by a living and...
  186. WinterDeere

    Good morning!!!!

    Same. I have two large batteries on my trailer that power the winch, and a trailer-mounted charger made for dump trailers, that recharges the trailer batteries off the truck. That charger pulls a continuous 20A while topping off the batteries or while winching, and I used to have some issues...
  187. WinterDeere

    Good morning!!!!

    How have you done on those pre-buys in recent years? I used to do it every year, 1000 gallons oil to supplement our 6 - 10 cords of firewood and heat pumps. But in the 2014/15 season, and even worse in the 2019/20 season, the prices fell so much during heating season as to completely reverse...
  188. WinterDeere

    Good morning!!!!

    In very old vehicles, the blinker relay is a bi-metallic mechanism, same as Christmas light string blinker bulbs. Current pulled thru the relay causes the bimetallic contact arm in the relay to heat up and bend away from the internal contact, breaking the circuit. When you have less current...
  189. WinterDeere

    Battery powered chainsaw

    Agreed. The 500i is the present culmination of 60+ years of chainsaw development, it'll be awhile before any battery saw is a true replacement for a saw like that. But that saw is also way outside the price range or target customer for most battery saws. For many of the tasks that most...
  190. WinterDeere

    Battery powered chainsaw

    Stan Wittingham built the first lithium-ion battery prototype in the late 1970's, ten years too late for vietnam or Apollo 11. And his design wasn't manufacturable or safe... that took another 10 - 15 years. There were non-rechargable lithium battery technologies before lithium ion, we've all...
  191. WinterDeere

    Working rail roads and their tracks.

    Every young kid around here knows the town of Jim Thorpe, but ironically nothing about the man for which it was renamed! I'll admit I also know less about him than I should, like why a town in Pennsylvania came to be named after a man who was born in Oklahoma and died in California. :ROFLMAO:
  192. WinterDeere

    Battery powered chainsaw

    What lithium-ion battery existed in the late 1960's? The first commercially-available Lithium Ion battery was released by Sony in 1991. Even the underlying science behind them didn't start until the late 1970's, and the first working lab models mostly happened in the 1980's. Lithium Sulfer...
  193. WinterDeere

    Tractors and wood! Show your pics

    I got tired of dealing with the stupid platic packaging that some saw chains come in, and even the cardboard boxes tend to fall apart before a chain is consumed, especially working in snow or wet weather. So, I found these little clear boxes on Amazon, and moved most of my regularly-used saw...
  194. WinterDeere

    Battery powered chainsaw

    As long as we're bound to Li-Ion tech, the weight vs. runtime issue will remain similar. Only a change to a new higher energy density chemical or solid state battery tech will allow that barrier to fall. With easy access to a recharge source, you could run smaller and lighter batteries, and...
  195. WinterDeere

    Tractors and wood! Show your pics

    I'd question that theory. I'm no expert, but I've always been told carpenter ants are opportunists who move into already-rotten wood, never the cause of it.
  196. WinterDeere

    What is some of your Pet Peeve's

    Okay, I just asked my 7th grader, and she said she learned this in 5th grade. Sorry, I was off 2 years, but it doesn't change the underlying point!
  197. WinterDeere

    Heavy Duty Compact Tractor

    OP said, "regardless of price". But he also said "compact tractor". :p
  198. WinterDeere

    Share Pics of People Hauling or Towing Something Wrong

    You mean PennDOT? Sort of a monopoly, there. It sounded like PennDOT provided the routing to the trucking company, with instructions they cannot deviate, which I would suspect is standard for over-sized loads. PennDOT may use a third-party engineering service to provide the routing service...
  199. WinterDeere

    What is some of your Pet Peeve's

    I suppose I could be off a year, but that's my recollection. Point is, it's very basic arithmetic.
  200. WinterDeere

    What is some of your Pet Peeve's

    ... or when they say "300% more" instead of 200% more, for something that's 3x another. 300% more would be 4x. I don't expect everyone to remember calculus, or Euler's identity, but 3rd grade math shouldn't be too much to ask.
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