#1 Reason I love IR Cameras

   / #1 Reason I love IR Cameras
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#21  
"This land is my land"-you sure have a good sense of humor for people tresspassing. I'm sure your holding back some frustration there. I'd be madder than you know what if it was happening on my land, but I only have a postage stamp, so noone really bothers..much. Hope it all works out for you.


Actually, I was mad a few years ago. There wasn't much I could do as the property is over 100 miles from the house. Put up signs. They ignore them. I actually had some guys from Florida interested in a lease. Fairly large money. They went to hunt it and found 3 gut piles and tracks of a large party doing a deer drive (where people walk loudly thru the woods driving the deer to guys waiting to shoot them). I gave the check back. That's when I was mad. :mad:

I don't really get mad except in rare cases. I don't plot and plan to get even - waste of time. I don't plot to get one up either - just invites retaliation. I do however make careful plans to try and redirect bad behavior. I also have pictures of the trail they were on, showing the 7 (yes 7) no trespassing signs in the 300 yards. Also have pictures of me taking a picture of the camera (helps to locate the camera for court in relation to the signs, etc. I am hoping that there will be enough evidence to convince the courts to order the miscreants to stay 1000 yards from my property. Maybe confiscate the fire arms and remove hunting privelege for 5 years. Oh and some civil fines as well as the criminal.


NOTE: WI is a mandatory blaze orange state.


Camera Details:

Moutrie Model DGS-160.

A 4 meg IR camera that uses 6 D batteries. Can take color day or B&W IR night pictures with an array of 5x14 IR LEDs. I put the camera up with new batteries on Nov 21 or so. The battery indicator was at 92% today with the temps in the 10-12F range. It had been in the -15F range earlier in the week. (Getting "nippy") The camera was located in a small ash tree 10" diameter, about 18' up. The tree had a multi trunk maple in front of it. The camera is dull green/grey and while not camo is still fairly hard to see. I aimed it so that it would cover the road. Sadly the dozer work this fall left the road smooth and many pictures are of only a partial truck / atv. The Camera is just about silent and being IR has no flash to give it away. I spent about an hour in the cold finding a tree that was close to the road, big enough to get up in but small enough to not look it and at a place where the natural eye sight lines are forcing you to look in a different direction.

For this type of activity battery life is very important. You want to be able to leave the camera for weeks to months at a time and not have a path worn to it replacing batteries! At 4mb it is decent, but a higher resolution would have allowed for some back tags to be read. They are juuuuust too fuzzy. Lic plates are clear. Faces good too. The original is more clear than the posting.

If you are looking for a camera, line up the features and I would recommend ordering them by;
1) battery life
2) trigger speed
3) camo cover
4) resolution (4mb minimum - but no need to go whacko and get a 10+ mb)
5) Card capacity (older ones are limited to 1 gb. You want 2gb or more capable)
6) pre-view screen (neat at camp, but useless in the woods)

The Moultrie line is the best I have found that fit the bill. Battery life is unreal with spring/summer/early fall being all on one set of 6 D cells. Other brands are renouned for battery eating with some going a set in 1-2 weeks.


I was going to lay a trap with a cheap flash camera in plain view of the hidden IR camera, but had no batteries for my cheap camera. If you want my "sneaky input" --> Put the flash cam right out in the open with a no trespass sign next to it. It must be a flash camera as you WANT them to notice it. Plan out where a truck will stop so you can be sure to get the plates in the pictures. You WANT them to stop and either destroy or steal the camera. Adds a layer of "fun" as they tack theft and destruction of evidence to the charges.:D

jb AKA "sneaky pete"
 
   / #1 Reason I love IR Cameras #23  
1) battery life

This is important in cold temperatures, so make sure you use the correct type of batteries for the longer life.

At -4 °F both NiMH and Lithium batteries will lose about half of their capacity.
At 32 °F (0°C) both types will be at about 90% - 95% of capacity.

Alkaline cells (the regular none rechargeable ones) will be at 65% at 32 °F and will be almost nothing at -4°F.

With the lithium or NiMH batteries, you should be able to leave you camera out there for several months.

Keep the camera out of total shade, let the sun help keep the batteries a few degrees cooler.

I hope you help keep down the crime on your property. This brand of IR hunting/wildlife camera is very popular, Home .:. RECONYX, Inc. too., but cost a lot more. Check these cameras out on youtube, great videos, such as this one YouTube - Bobcat, elk, buck, coyote on trail camera
 
   / #1 Reason I love IR Cameras #24  
I have two Moultrie game cameras, an earlier visible flash one that runs on a 6V lantern battery. It was around $100, battery life is poor.
Then I bought what is probably the same one john_bud has. Much better but IIRC I paid around $300 for it some time back.
So far I've not "caught" any two legged creatures with it, and hope I don't as that will cause me great concern as my remote property is also posted "no trespassing". I've not had any known trespassers but did encounter some hunters on the border of my property that had what I will call a poor attitude. I was wearing a visible sidearm at the time and wonder how much worse their attitude would have been if I had been unarmed:(
 
   / #1 Reason I love IR Cameras #25  
I received a Moultrie IR Game Camera for Christmas last year, and was fairly disappointed with it. Battery life was never really an option as I never had it working properly long enough to wear out the batteries. I might have had a dud, which happens, but trying to call customer support is a joke. It doesn't matter what part of the year you call, they are experiencing higher then expected activity and it's a 45 minute wait that's really well over an hour. My camera just didn't do what it was programmed to do, and no amount of help from customer support was able to get it to keep it's setting. The picture quality was fine, and the camera's might be good, but customer support really sucks.

I tried a few of the cheapy brands from Walmart, but they are not worth the money.

I've had good luck and reliability with Stealth Cam. I've never called customer support, so the comparison might not be fair. The camera is easy to program, works well and a set of C batteries will last a month or two, depending on how many pictures it takes. A good night of flash pictures at the feeder can be 100 pictures or more. I've had 400 picture days, but that's an extreme night.

The flash is now dead on that camera and I'm looking to buy a new one. Or I think that's what Steph is getting me for Christmas. I'm not sold on IR because of the black and white feature. We like those color pics at night time and the animals don't seem to care about the flash.

One feature that I like about the new Stealth Cam cameras is that you can plug them into a 12 volt car battery for extremely long battery life. I recently put a new 12 timer on my feeder with a solar panel and rechargeable battery. Every time I check the timer, it says full battery, so it seems to be working. I'd like to be able to run a wire from the 12 volt battery in my feeder to my new game camera. That would eliminate the entire battery issue. It's really dissapointing to go out to the camera and see that the batteries are dead, but there is sign all over of animals being there.

The solar cell sticks out like a beacon, so I'm not sure if that's a good idea for you, but that bigger battery might be worth looking into.

Eddie
 
   / #1 Reason I love IR Cameras #26  
I have a Moutrie Game Spy 200 with a 20$ solar panel and a rechargeable battery. It's lasted 2.5 years so far but the display is getting flaky.

It was about $250 for all the gear but I used my Bass Pro points and only had to spend $100 out of pocket.
 
   / #1 Reason I love IR Cameras #27  
Love it,as someone said it would appear that many hunters lose all common sense on opening day of hunting season. I retired after 30 years as a Conservation officer,I won't bore you with a pile of war stories but here is one that I think you all may enjoy:

We were recieving a lot of complaints from a rural area about "road hunting",as in most areas its illegal to have an uncased firearm in /on a motor vehicle,or discharge a firearm within 100 yds of a public highway. Our Dept had a fiberglass mould of a "big whitetail" complete with a nice rack, ( now you see where I am going with this). I took "Bambi" and placed it appox 50 feet off the pavement,across the road from a house, (discharging a firearm within 450 yds of a house is another offence). Several cars stopped and blew their horn,guess they wanted to save Bambi. Bambi was quite unique as he had a remote head which could turn a complete 360 degrees at the speed of light :D. Once I determined the horn blowers were trying to save Bambi I would operate the head at high speed and the do gooders would move on.
After an hour of this a truck stops,backs up a few feet looks real close at Bambi the head was moving in a natural manner now I start up the Dept Vehicle,which is fully marked roof lights etc.and parked 25 feet off the road on the opposite side and very visable,well after 30 seconds or so the great white hunter comes running to my vehicle asking if he can shoot poor bambi. He is standing 3 feet from my vehicle,I'm in uniform,vehicle sides are well marked,lights on roof; I said sure you can however it would be an expensive shot and even than the meat wouldn't taste good. He steps back a couple of feet,looks at me,the vehicle....Ahhhhh he finally getting it.....hangs his head and said its a dummy, I replied yep now there are 2 dummys.
Even though there was no offence I took a statement determined the guy wasn't a real bad *** but I wanted to know what he thought he saw. He seen a big buck a few seconds later seen my vehicle,he never noticed the markings on the side or the lights all he seen was the car and believed it belonged to the land owner and approached it to ask permission to shoot. All he seen was a nice rack of horns and threw his brain in neutral. I suggested just maybe he should give up hunting and sent him on his way, Picked up Bambi and left the area,the word was out that the Game Wardens were watching the area and we recieved no more complaints.

A few nights later Bambi took 8 shots with high powered rifle,needed major fiber glass work and a new remote, 3 people charged with hunting game with a light handed a total of 7500 bucks in fines.Car and rifles became property of the Crown.Not a good night for the bad guys.

Than there is the stuffed Pheasant....Oh thats another story....Don't want to bore anyone.
 
   / #1 Reason I love IR Cameras #29  
Great picture, that is a neat idea for catching more than typical game.

4) resolution (4mb minimum - but no need to go whacko and get a 10+ mb)
I think what you mean in terms of resolution is MP (mega-pixels) as mb (mega-bytes) is a means of memory. I also agree that you should look for something with as much or more resolution as a good digital camera which is about 7MP.
 
   / #1 Reason I love IR Cameras
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Eddie, I don't know which of us had the non-typical camera. Mine has worked flawlessly from the get go. Several that I know of are also good. But, I have had other expensive shelf warmers that went kerflewy shortly after buying.

Most of the companies now have "customer drop" -- the opposite of support. I know that Dell computer has the margins so tight that if they get a call on a computer for any reason they have spent more on service than the profit on the sale. At a guess, game cameras are probably the same.

Was the service person at least an American? I really dislike most CS from India as the accent and my ringing ears make it impossible for me to understand what they are saying. Very frustrating.

Jinjimbob - I am currently using the cheapest batteries that I can buy. No name china specials that were 5 bucks for a dozen D cells. They last a long time - even in our semi-nippy temperatures.
 

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