12' Disc NEED HELP

[marksmu]

I purchased this disc second hand from a guy out in the country who said it was John Deere 330...it was recently acid washed to clean up the rust, and then repainted...its got new tires and a new cylinder...one problem though it has a few broken discs on it. I called up a few JD dealers for the parts, and they said the discs should 22-24" on a 330. These are clearly 17-18" discs. So I sent him a picture of it, and he doesnt even think this is a John Deere Disc.

The plate that is in the pictures is just a farm supply co sticker, and there are no existing markings anywhere else on it.

So, long story short - can ANYONE identify what brand and model this disc actually is? I need replacement parts and want to get the correct ones.

Thanks in advance!

 

[MtnViewRanch]

I can't help out on verifying the manufacturer, but those notched disks look like they are worn out to me. Would it be possible that the disks are all worn down and you should have 22-24 inch blades on there? Agri Supply is a good place to get disk parts. You could take apart one of the gangs that need new disks anyway and visually verify size and type of axle so that you could be sure of ordering parts that will fit. If the blades are truly that warn down, when you remove a disk blade, you should be able to see how thick the metal is. Most 22-24 inch blades will be about 3/16" thick and I think that an 18" blade would only be 1/8" thick. Check out Agri Supply. Notched Disc Harrow Blades Available at Agri Supply - Agri Supply They should be able to help you out with the parts that you need.

Good luck

 

[JoeinTX]

Well, marksmu, you may have been had...:{

The only real JD "330" disc plow I can find is a large folding disc...http://www.tractorhouse.com/listings/detail.aspx?OHID=5377914&GUID=dcf7b34b870c4b009995e442bc00f81c

If there's another "330" J.D. disc plow model, maybe earlier model, I would tend to think not. It could still be a John Deere disc (of a different model) but even if not that doesn't make it any less of a tool......in fact it looks pretty nice. Have you checked the disc gang axles/bumper spacers/etc. for any markings? There might be something there to give a clue if they are indeed the originals.

As for the discs, there looks to be quite a mish-mash hodgepodge mix of 18" regular round discs and old, worn out notched discs that are now around 18" but originally 20" or 22". Or at least that's how they appear and the plow looks like it could easily handle bigger discs than those on it.

You can get replacement disc/gang parts from a number of suppliers if you the measurements....don't have to be from the original OEM.

http://www.agrisupply.com/notched-disc-harrow-blades/c/4500010/c2c/sc/......etc.


If you get it figured out let us know.

 

[JoeinTX]

Dang, MVR, I began to reply to mark's original post....did some web research and took a while replying...........and we posted almost the very same thing!?!?!


We're either both right or both wrong.

 

[MtnViewRanch]

Dang, MVR, I began to reply to mark's original post....did some web research and took a while replying...........and we posted almost the very same thing!?!?!


We're either both right or both wrong.

I'm going to go with that we are both right. At least we were thinking along the same lines. Is that good? That doesn't happen to me very often.

 

[marksmu]

I am concerned about putting larger discs on this thing, b/c the length of drops that hold the bearings, do not have alot of clearance from the frame as it is. If you look, there is maybe 3 inches or so right now between the discs and the frame. It may have just been repaired with alot of extra parts laying around.

I do not think it is John Deere at all though, judging from the 1000 discs I looked through at Tractorhouse the other day.

At any rate, I reckon Im just gonna have to take the gangs apart, and do some measurements to make sure I get the right parts.

 

[cityguy]

Just looking at it, not sure it is a JD. From what I remember most of the smaller disks from JD had the leveling screw half way down the tongue. Doesn't mean its not a good disk, JD did not have the only good disks.

If the blades are worn - you probably cannot just replace individual blades, with new ones to spec - due to the size difference.

Check the size of the axle, measure the existing blades and buy what will fit the axle and match up with the size of the others.

 

[flusher]

I purchased this disc second hand from a guy out in the country who said it was John Deere 330...it was recently acid washed to clean up the rust, and then repainted...its got new tires and a new cylinder...one problem though it has a few broken discs on it. I called up a few JD dealers for the parts, and they said the discs should 22-24" on a 330. These are clearly 17-18" discs. So I sent him a picture of it, and he doesnt even think this is a John Deere Disc.

The plate that is in the pictures is just a farm supply co sticker, and there are no existing markings anywhere else on it.

So, long story short - can ANYONE identify what brand and model this disc actually is? I need replacement parts and want to get the correct ones.

Thanks in advance!

Nice disc. Hope you didn't pay "JD prices" for a non-JD implement.

If it were mine, I'd give it a test drive and see how it performs.
Next I'd check the diameter of the end disc on each gang to determine where the wear is occuring. Then replace the worn discs and go.

That's what I did with an old 7-ft Towner offset pull disc that one of my neighbors gave me a few years ago. Five of the 20 blades were worn. Got the 20" dia replacement blades from Ag Supply ($10 each) along with a new axle bar ($15) and end nut. Now I have a good working disc with an investment of less than $100.

 

[JerryK]

You should be able to tell if it is a JD unit by checking out the bolt heads. I don't know about the newer stuff, but I have never seen a JD tractor/implement that wasn't put together with bolts with 'JD' stamped in the bolt head. Official, John Deere bolts, that would be a big clue..... [ we don't pay the big bucks for just the green paint ]

 

[marksmu]

Didnt pay much at all. It was pretty cheap (though not free). The new JD, or Frontier version of this disc they make is $12,000....I paid $1250 for it b/c it has new tires and a new cylinder. There are a few more abnormalities...I had expected a square axle where the disc blades are, but the axle is Round all the way through. It appears that the spacers are supposed to be tightened so tight that the friction prevents them from spinning freely. The axles has not just been worn round, its round all the way, even in the open space inside the spacers.

The spacing was 7.5 inches between discs, I measure that this weekend, and the largest disc on it was 18" in diamater...there is just a cluster of random discs strewn all over this thing. Some notched, some round, some 18" some 16"

There are no marks on any bolt heads either. I checked for that. Most the bolts are pretty new, and the older ones have old been acid etched and repainted.

At any rate, Im taking a few of the blades I got off of it up to my farm supply dealer and Im going to see what he says.

I think everyone is right though...I dont think its JD, but it is in pretty condition overall. I just need to figure out what in the heck it is so I get it correct.

 

[marksmu]

Here are two pics of the axle taken apart. Sorry they arent too clear, the camera I have has decided to only taken fuzzy pics now.

As you can see the axle is round, and the spacers hold the thing together when tightened with the large nut on the ends.

 

[Farmwithjunk]

Have you been able to find ANY part#'s/casting #'s on the disc? Some brands will have a common prefix or suffix on their part #'s. (as an example, older Massey Ferguson #'s generally end in M1 or M2)


That's definately NOT a Deere OR IH disc. I'm thinking it's from a short line manufacturer and not one of the major full line brands. Relatively light, bolted frame... Looks to be in good condition though.

 

[marksmu]

I cannot find any markings on it whatsoever. The guy that I got it from had acid etched the whole thing and blasted it or sanded it before priming and repainting.

It is a light duy finishing disc (or seedbed prep) though for sure. It weighs 3400 lbs, but it does not have alot of cut in it. I only broke 3 discs on it, but I wanted to get notched discs to get more penetration.

I dont care so much WHO made it, as long as I know Im not going to tear it up with new blades, oh ya and what type of blade, and size...if if your looking at teh pictures you can see there is about 3 inches of clearance between the frame and the discs. Im thinking I might be able to get 20in blades

Thanks!

 

[4720 OWNER]

2 cents. Looks a lot like a ferguson i used this spring.

Can you weld the hole in the old discs and present the significant other with a 'new' set of serving dishes? Hang them as wind chimes?

 

[marksmu]

Last couple photos Ive got. These are the blades I took off. The axle is round. The blades appear to be 1.5" centers, varying between round and square with the points.

I have no idea whatsoever which set of blades I am supposed to get. As you can see the 1.5" is uniform, but the type and everything else is different.

Do those spacers between the discs actually tighten down enough to hold these things from spinning freely on the axle?

The concavity appears to be 2" on the round discs.

Can anyone tell me how this is supposed to be, and whether or not something is not right here?

I just want to get some new discs, and have this thing cut nicely.

Thanks!

 

[Farmwithjunk]

Also rule out Ferguson/Massey Harris/Massey Ferguson. I've been through machinery brochures from all three back to the 1940's and no disc like that'n!

 

[MtnViewRanch]

Do those spacers between the discs actually tighten down enough to hold these things from spinning freely on the axle?

Thanks!

When you tighten them down with a 1" impact, and then tighten them just a tad bit more with a 6' cheater bar, that should get you about 2000lbs of torque. That should be plenty tight so as the disks will not spin at all, let alone freely.

 

[marksmu]

Alright, well I think Ive got it. The 1.5" center seems to be way too large for this disc. I couldnt even find a new disc blade with a 1.5 center axle.

Looking at the pics, I can see that each disc has alot of space around the axles. So Ive decided to go with an 18" Notched front discs with 1 1/8" round center,

18 4.5MM Notched Disc Harrow Blade - Agri Supply

Im going to replace the front gangs with these, and then reuse the best circular blades on the back...they are all about 17-18 inches, so I reckon it oughta work alright.

Anyone see any problems with that?

 

[Farmwithjunk]

Alright, well I think Ive got it. The 1.5" center seems to be way too large for this disc. I couldnt even find a new disc blade with a 1.5 center axle.

Looking at the pics, I can see that each disc has alot of space around the axles. So Ive decided to go with an 18" Notched front discs with 1 1/8" round center,

18 4.5MM Notched Disc Harrow Blade - Agri Supply

Im going to replace the front gangs with these, and then reuse the best circular blades on the back...they are all about 17-18 inches, so I reckon it oughta work alright.

Anyone see any problems with that?

I've never seen a disc of that size with anything but 1" or 1-1/8" axles. So you're on the right track.

Often times, 1-1/8" SQUARE axle disc blades will have an 8-point star shaped center hole that will also work on a ROUND axle. They can be a little confusing.

What you're talking about doing, putting new blades on the front and the better used ones on the rear is a common practice.

If you get down to picking from a few odd sized disc blades for the rear gangs, put smaller ones at the extreme outside ends of each gang. That actually HELPS with leveling. It somewhat eliminates the "furrow" that the outer disc can leave.

When you re-assemble, tighten the gang bolt (axle) as tight as you can possibly get it. After a bit of use, go back and re-tighten. That creates an integral strength throughout the axle, spools, and disc's. With the axle loose, you stand a MUCH greater chance of breaking disc blades. (Not to mention "spontanious disassembly" while in the field )

 

[Gizmo36]

That is a John Deere Disc it is and A&W is what they call it I think. a friend of mind has one, he is in a rest home , he has had it from the early 50,s . I think that is a 332. They made the AW -AWR-AWRS-AWS They were made from the 40's to the early 80's .