12v Fuel Transfer Pumps

[Notforhire]

To the O.P. BCrouse.

You were correct!
I did a Google search this morning on galvanize and diesel fuel.
There is some argument that it's not a big deal. Someone even mentioned that Ford used galvanized fuel tanks in diesel trucks at one time and that the zinc should get caught in the filter.
The fact remains that diesel dissolves the zinc and it can cause problems with the injector pump.

Could the small amount of piping in my system cause a problem? I have no idea.

Well it just cost me $9.72 to replace all of my galvanized pipe with black iron. For less than $10 why take a chance.

Thank you so much for bringing this to my attention.

I'm always learning something from this site!:thumbsup:

Thanks again.

Best, Bill

 

[DieselBound]

So how are you guys getting those +250 gallon tanks filled? A fuel supplier I would guess.

That works great for the +100 gallons per week users (ie. heavy industrial farm type operations.

How about the guys with 50-150 gallon tanks. Pick it up empty and take it to fill it yourself? That's what I assume I will do since I don't use enough to interest the delivery guys.

Folks who look to transport filled fuel tanks should first look to see what their laws say is allowable. In my area it's 118(?) gallons that's the max; above that and you have to have a special permit (hazardous materials). Since I didn't want to be trying to move fuel tanks in and out of my truck (at the time I wasn't contemplating my bigger tractor in which case I was limited with my small one) I opted to get a larger one- 150 gallons. My fuel folks will deliver "red diesel" (off road) fuel of 100 gallons or more. The cost for this fuel when delivery charges are factored in is still lower than pump diesel. Had pump diesel been cheap enough I might have gone with a smaller tank and bought that way: I've got two diesel cars and one diesel truck, so plenty of justification for having bulk on hand.

I bought my tank and Fil-Rite pump used last spring. It wasn't an award winning deal, but when compared to pricing out new or looking at what used stuff was around at the time it was the best deal.

Soon to have two tractors. Have one diesel UTV and one diesel generator. And during the summer months when I rent equipment I no longer have to run around with a bunch of jugs!

 

[FTG-05]

Folks who look to transport filled fuel tanks should first look to see what their laws say is allowable. In my area it's 118(?) gallons that's the max; above that and you have to have a special permit (hazardous materials). Since I didn't want to be trying to move fuel tanks in and out of my truck (at the time I wasn't contemplating my bigger tractor in which case I was limited with my small one) I opted to get a larger one- 150 gallons. My fuel folks will deliver "red diesel" (off road) fuel of 100 gallons or more. The cost for this fuel when delivery charges are factored in is still lower than pump diesel. Had pump diesel been cheap enough I might have gone with a smaller tank and bought that way: I've got two diesel cars and one diesel truck, so plenty of justification for having bulk on hand.

I bought my tank and Fil-Rite pump used last spring. It wasn't an award winning deal, but when compared to pricing out new or looking at what used stuff was around at the time it was the best deal.

Soon to have two tractors. Have one diesel UTV and one diesel generator. And during the summer months when I rent equipment I no longer have to run around with a bunch of jugs!

I just spent about a half hour trying to find out TN state laws on hazardous transport and got nothing.

Anyone have TN laws handy on transporting fuel requirements as discussed above?

ETA: Those that designed and maintain the TnDOT site should be lined up and shot. It's full of self-important blather.

 

[bdog]

I just spent about a half hour trying to find out TN state laws on hazardous transport and got nothing.

Anyone have TN laws handy on transporting fuel requirements as discussed above?

The 118 gallon (I thought it was 119) is a federal law. Per the USDOT it becomes a hazmat load once that threshold is exceeded. Maybe 118 gallons is ok and 119 gallon is hazmat.

I seriously doubt (but am not 100% positive) that any state would be more restrictive than that.

 

[BCrouse]

Got my platform built, and painted a little bit. Need a few more cans. I also boxed in the legs and ran a ratchet strap to move it around, which may or may not stay on.

 

[FTG-05]

The 118 gallon (I thought it was 119) is a federal law. Per the USDOT it becomes a hazmat load once that threshold is exceeded. Maybe 118 gallons is ok and 119 gallon is hazmat.

I seriously doubt (but am not 100% positive) that any state would be more restrictive than that.

I'll have to measure the tank I just bought. Dollars to donuts, it's sized to meet Fed DOT requirements; which hopefully means TnDOT requirements.

Thanks,

 

[DieselBound]

Nice work, BCrouse!

Regarding bulk fuel transport, here's from ND's site (it's 119 gallon, which is really about weight- 1,000 lbs - bdog is correct in that it's a federal restriction, though many, not all, states do acknowledge it [other than for federal roads]):

What are HAZMAT requirements for a 125 gallon diesel fuel tank in my farm service vehicle? What if I pull a nurse tank?

Generally, any tank over 119 gallons is a bulk tank requiring compliance with the federal hazardous materials rules to include placarding, licensing, shipping, etc. There are however, many exceptions to the regulations.

Basically, 49 CFR 173.5(a) and North Dakota state law state that a farm vehicle traveling on local roads between fields of the same farm and not carrying class 2 material is exempt from all HAZMAT requirements. So, a farm vehicle traveling township/county/state roads between farm fields does not have to meet HAZMAT requirements. However, if traveling on interstate highways, to town, or to a neighboring farm, the farm vehicle must comply with HAZMAT requirements because the movement does not meet the local roads/fields of the same farm exception.

The second part of the question pertains to an anhydrous ammonia nurse tank which is a class 2 material. 49 CFR 173.5 and North Dakota state law states that a farmer carrying class 2 materials is only exempt from subpart G and H (which includes training requirements and emergency response information requirements). So, a farm vehicle carrying anhydrous ammonia traveling on township/county/state roads is exempt from (1) training and emergency response information requirements in accordance with 49 CFR 173.5, (2) shipping paper requirements in accordance with 173.315(m), and (3) CDL HAZMAT endorsement requirements in accordance with 383.3(d). The vehicle does, however, have to be placarded/marked in accordance with 173.315(m).

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Question: What practices do people take when fueling up using 12v power? I've always heard to not use the power from the vehicle that's being fueled.

 

[oldballs]

The question about 12v power probably applies to gasoline transfer, not to diesel.......is my guess.

 

[DieselBound]

The question about 12v power probably applies to gasoline transfer, not to diesel.......is my guess.

For sure, with gasoline I'd follow that "rule." Just didn't know if it was also applicable to diesel pumping: one of the reason why I run diesel things- safer.

 

[FTG-05]

Another question for those with electric pumps: What do you use to prevent a vacuum on the tank as you are pumping?

Ok actually three more questions: anyone use a hand pump? Are they worth it? Can you use a hand pump through two output filters (one30 micron, the 2nd 2 micron)?

Thanks,