1600 vs 1700 series?

   / 1600 vs 1700 series? #11  
My personnal thinking is that 1700 series are no longer Iseki built machines this point has to be confirmed by better informed people than me..
I doubt Iseki would mount mitsubishi engines on its tractors.
Another sign is that the 1600 series DynaQPS transmission which is a pure Iseki product is no longer available on 1700 series.
Maybe I mistake but, for me, 1700 series = Mitsubishi built tractors.

Any opinions ?

Phil
 
   / 1600 vs 1700 series? #12  
That was his problem. Sites searching.

:) My thought also.


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   / 1600 vs 1700 series? #13  
My personnal thinking is that 1700 series are no longer Iseki built machines this point has to be confirmed by better informed people than me..
I doubt Iseki would mount mitsubishi engines on its tractors.
Another sign is that the 1600 series DynaQPS transmission which is a pure Iseki product is no longer available on 1700 series.
Maybe I mistake but, for me, 1700 series = Mitsubishi built tractors.

Any opinions ?

Phil

I'm saying Iseki built machines, Just a Mitsubishi engine. Maybe the QPS wasn't a big seller & worth the inventory? Maybe It needs some adjustment to work with the Mitsubishi engine? Not sure. But the 1700's I've seen sure have a rear axle, front axle and chassis like the 1600 series & 1500 series. My guess is it was cheaper to out source engines or it wasn't worth the research or financial investment for Iseki to build tier 4 compliant engines. Wait & see what everyone else does & copy it maybe?
 
   / 1600 vs 1700 series? #14  
case used there engines up until 2010 I own one never had any problems with there motor at all
 
   / 1600 vs 1700 series? #15  
I'm saying Iseki built machines, Just a Mitsubishi engine. Maybe the QPS wasn't a big seller & worth the inventory? Maybe It needs some adjustment to work with the Mitsubishi engine? Not sure. But the 1700's I've seen sure have a rear axle, front axle and chassis like the 1600 series & 1500 series. My guess is it was cheaper to out source engines or it wasn't worth the research or financial investment for Iseki to build tier 4 compliant engines. Wait & see what everyone else does & copy it maybe?

Just bought a 1660 Dyna and asked the dealer before buying what the differences would be between the 1660 and comparable 1700 series tractor. Exactly as you stated, fully tier IV compliant diesel wasn't something Iseki wanted to pursue but they are still manufacturing the 1700 series, just with the Mitsubishi engines.

I don't know that I would want them doing too much more to the cab that would add to the price, already a very nice cab. An upgraded seat wouldn't be a bad idea though.
 
   / 1600 vs 1700 series? #16  
I'm saying Iseki built machines, Just a Mitsubishi engine. Maybe the QPS wasn't a big seller & worth the inventory? Maybe It needs some adjustment to work with the Mitsubishi engine? Not sure. But the 1700's I've seen sure have a rear axle, front axle and chassis like the 1600 series & 1500 series. My guess is it was cheaper to out source engines or it wasn't worth the research or financial investment for Iseki to build tier 4 compliant engines. Wait & see what everyone else does & copy it maybe?

Hence why the 4600 are Iseki built with SISU engines.
 
   / 1600 vs 1700 series? #17  
Also talked to a dealer this weekend that said comparable 1600 vs 1700 series tractors could be as much as $10,000 higher due to all the emission upgrades, DPF, turbo's, etc.
 
   / 1600 vs 1700 series? #18  
Was given similar pricing information by a couple of dealers - after almost two years of shopping it helped me make up my mind to buy now. Not concerned with support for the tractor down the road, MF has an excellent support network.
 
   / 1600 vs 1700 series? #19  
The 1700 Series both Premium and Economy Models will be built by ISEKI for Massey Ferguson.

The Premium 1700 Series will feature new Tier IV Final Engines by Mitsubishi Power. The 1736, 1742 & 1749 will be a 3 Cylinder 1.7L Engine and the 1754, 1758 & 1759 will feature a 4 Cylinder 2.2L Engine. Both High Pressure Common Rail Fuel Injection engines which are Electronically controlled...a feature Massey Ferguson has been using in larger tractors for many years. It increases fuel economy and performance. They will have a Diesel Particulate Filter to meet the strict Clean Air Regulations but change interval is estimated at 3,000 Hours. This will eliminate the need for use of Diesel Exhaust Fluid in this service of tractors and most owners will not see increased maintenance with the Clean Air Components. Transmission in the Premium Series will be a 12x12 Power Shuttle or 3 Range Servo Hydrostat with Electronic Control to adjust Max Speed, Response Control or how aggressive the transmission reacts to the foot control and Electronic Cruise Control plus Stall Guard monitors engine performance and adjusts travel speed if the potential for engine stall is reached. Electronic PTO Engagement with Soft Start Feature. Cab and Platform Models. Digital Dash Panel. High flow Hydraulics the 3 Cylinder Models will offer 11.6GPM at Remotes and the 4 Cylinder Models 12.8 GPM at the Remotes. All will be 4wd. Pricing compared to the current closeout promotions on 1600 Series is approximately$1,500 to $3,000 more from first glance at actual selling prices. I would recommend visiting your local Massey Dealer for exact price quotes.

1700 Economy Series is a NEW Product offering and class of tractors that Massey Ferguson has not been able to compete in since in the past they offered a Premium Product only but these new Economy Models are not short on features either. Currently 2 models 1734E and 1739E feature Tier 4 Final Shibaura Engines. THey will be assembled at ISEKI with ISEKI transaxles. It will feature similar Diesel Particulate Filter with similar life expectancy. Transmission Options will be a 9x3 Mechanical Gear Transmission or a 3 Range Hydrostat with rocker style pedal. Steel Hood, Fenders and Platform. Straddle Mount Platform. Analog Dash Panel. Mechanically engaged 4wd on all models. Mechanical PTO Engagement. 1600# 3pt Lift at 24" behind Pivot Pin. L100 Loader will be the loader option. 1734E is 6.7GPM ar Remotes and 1739E is 7.2 GPM at Remote Hydraulics. These tractors do not replace current models but are a new entry into a growing segment of Compact Tractor Owners that want a new tractor at an economical price without all the bells and whistles.

Hope that helps understand. We just learned a lot more yesterday on the new models that should start arriving in the next 30-60 days.
 
   / 1600 vs 1700 series? #20  

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