1952 Ford 8N 302 v8 conversion

[wploetz]

That guy is way crazy. How in the world does he keep it from rolling? No way would I ever do anything like that!! (or would I?)

Great way to de-thatch the field though.

Don't try this and you should be fine.

 

[xtn]

Nope, the whole backend can jump and shudder. Go to a lower gear or less throttle, no jump.
Traction of load exceeds traction of tires at a given torque to the rear wheels, I think?

Okay. I get the whole thing is hopping. But it's got to mostly be BECAUSE of tire sidewall flex, right?

 

[wploetz]

I stand by my lowly opinion, I don't think it has to do with tire sidewall flex. I have on occasion, made every tractor I have had hop in similar situations. Too high of a gear, too little traction and too much throttle. Hey you other tire hoppers, your thoughts?

Okay. I get the whole thing is hopping. But it's got to mostly be BECAUSE of tire sidewall flex, right?

 

[Soundguy]

I stand by my lowly opinion, I don't think it has to do with tire sidewall flex. I have on occasion, made every tractor I have had hop in similar situations. Too high of a gear, too little traction and too much throttle. Hey you other tire hoppers, your thoughts?

i have had a tire spin on a loader tractor with heavily aired tires ( car radials in front, and new 13.6-28 rears that were aired up hard.. like 20 psi in a tire that normally runs 12.. etc.. ).

no sidewall flexing I could see.. i bet you could have MEASURED some.. but hard to see.

when I was running and a tire caught a softer spot on one side and that tire spun and then caught and again and again.. it made a bucking or bobbing that resulted in hopping on either side as both sides would then jump and spin.

application of steering brakes was then in order.. poor mans diffy lock..

 

[94BULLITT]

I stand by my lowly opinion, I don't think it has to do with tire sidewall flex. I have on occasion, made every tractor I have had hop in similar situations. Too high of a gear, too little traction and too much throttle. Hey you other tire hoppers, your thoughts?

I had wheel hop today trying to push a tree over. I was turning the tires a little over 1MPH. It definitely happens you turn them too fast.

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[wploetz]

Frank-N-Ford progress has been made.

New dash with SunPro gauges & VDO Tach are installed
New Throwout Bearing, Bell housing adapter and motor are mounted.
Front end is remounted so the tractor sets on 4 tires again.

Dash extension has to be profiled and drilled a bit to fit correctly.
Had to sawzall off outer crank pulley to clear motor bracket.
Of course now the water pump won't line up on the serpentine belts.. Time for an electric water pump.

Right tie rod hits bell housing adapter, have to see if I can bend it around to get enough clearance.

Click on the link below for the latest pics.

Dash motor front end mounted

Next tasks are to mount starter, all motor components and radiator.

This is fun.

 

[milkman636]

Looking good! Can you just adjust the front track width a little wider to clear the bell housing adapter instead of bending the tie rod?

 

[wploetz]

That might work. I will check it out. Thanks.

Looking good! Can you just adjust the front track width a little wider to clear the bell housing adapter instead of bending the tie rod?

 

[wploetz]

I was going to try that but I can't get the darn bolts out to adjust it.

I am going to the bend the tie rod rout. At this point, it seems the easier way to go. I spotted a few conversions on the web and I noticed the OHV V-8 conversions had bent the RH tie rods to clear teh bell housing adapters.

Hope everyone has a great & Happy Thanksgiving.

Looking good! Can you just adjust the front track width a little wider to clear the bell housing adapter instead of bending the tie rod?

 

[Midniteoyl]

I was going to try that but I can't get the darn bolts out to adjust it.

I am going to the bend the tie rod rout. At this point, it seems the easier way to go. I spotted a few conversions on the web and I noticed the OHV V-8 conversions had bent the RH tie rods to clear teh bell housing adapters.

Hope everyone has a great & Happy Thanksgiving.

50% tranny fluid and 50% acetone. Shake well and apply.. Works better than any store bought penetrating oil. Might take a couple of squirts a day for a couple of days.

 

[wploetz]

Tried that a couple weeks ago, still stuck. That stuff works great normally.

Also, I don't think I will like the way it looks wider. Torch Time. Maybe I should torch a turkey while I am at it.

50% tranny fluid and 50% acetone. Shake well and apply.. Works better than any store bought penetrating oil. Might take a couple of squirts a day for a couple of days.

 

[Soundguy]

50% tranny fluid and 50% acetone. Shake well and apply.. Works better than any store bought penetrating oil. Might take a couple of squirts a day for a couple of days.

i've used that as unstickum to drive valves out of a head when they stuck..

 

[tthopskin@yahoo.ca]

NICE WORK AND A LOT OF WORK . I NEVER TRIED TO DO THIS . BUT I BUILT ALL THE MOUNTS TO PUT A FLAT HEAD V 8 . IN A 8N . FOR MY BOSS . EVERY ONE THAT SEEN IT SAID IT WAS BETTER THEN THE KITE YOU COULD BUY TO DO THIS .. HE SOLD IT FOR $8000 .IT WENT SOUTH..AND I STILL HAVE THE TABLETS TO CUT OUT MORE

 

[wploetz]

OK, I have made the following progress, Check them out at my site

Engine Mods - Electric water Pump and Mallory Distributor
Motor Mods

Radiator & Fan Mods -
Radiator Fan mods

Battery Box Mods -
Battery Box Recycled 8N - Added tabs to raise enough to clear V8, low enough to clear hood, I painted it afterwards

Next project is to mount the exhaust, add some fuel, wire it up and fire it up! Maybe Sunday Dec 15 it will run.

 

[milkman636]

Your making good progress, and it's looking good. I'm curious to see a better pic of the motor mount setup and your exhaust manifolds.

 

[wploetz]

I will get picks of those things but my digital camera bit the dust and I don't want to use my Canon T4i in the cold dirty barn.
So I should have my ruggedized snap shooter tomorrow. Exhaust manifolds are steel by Don Knasel along with an extended engine mount that links the tranny to the adapter plate to front axle mounting plate.
The motor mounts to the engine mount with standard motor mounts and to the adapter plate that bolts to the tranny. The only problem I have with the manifold is that the steel is so thick that there is little clearance for a wrench or socket. I had to grind down a sacrificial 9/16" 1/4" drive to make a really thin wall socket. That worked for all but one of the bolts. Had to use an open end the best I could on that one. I am new to all this so I hope I am making sense.

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Your making good progress, and it's looking good. I'm curious to see a better pic of the motor mount setup and your exhaust manifolds.

 

[GPintheMitten]

Are you using the fan and radiator from the 8N? Will they be able to keep the 302 cool enough?

 

[Soundguy]

the n had a pretty oversized rad as it was.

as for the 302.. since it likely will never be making (anywhere near ) it's peak power.. or not for long, as it would rip out everything from the clutch back.. I doubt heat will be a problem chugging down a parade lane...

 

[wploetz]

No, we are not using the fan from the 8n, we are using a new 8n radiator though.

We are using an electric water pump and a 12V electric fan from a Chrysler mini van.

See these 2 pages for the info on that
Click below to see the water pump
Motor Mods
Click below to see fan & radiator
Radiator Fan mods

Are you using the fan and radiator from the 8N? Will they be able to keep the 302 cool enough?

 

[wploetz]

I have a temp gauge on it along with oil pressure so I should be able to monitor any potential problems there.
With a little common sense, I shouldn't tear anything up. We have heard of guys pulling souped up 8n's using stock components from the clutch back so we should be fine. For what I will be doing, I will be breaking traction before I will be breaking components. (In my opinion)

Anybody out there with experiences on a souped up 8n? Details please.

the n had a pretty oversized rad as it was.

as for the 302.. since it likely will never be making (anywhere near ) it's peak power.. or not for long, as it would rip out everything from the clutch back.. I doubt heat will be a problem chugging down a parade lane...