1999 New Holland 3031 block heater

[mllud]

With part numbers available to customers, I understand parts guys expecting customers to have a part number, but! They have gotten spoiled. if you have an issue like this where there are two different engines and obsolete part numbers you can hear the anger in their voice. How dare you make me work.
Thanks to everyone here I don't need them.
Mike

 

[ruffdog]

Good point on good battery cables. My skid steer will crank and crank, charge the battery and it kicks right off. I'm thinking a poor connection or low battery pulls enough amperage to starve the fuel solenoid of current. Wild guess!
THE Part number as obsolete. This is what I think I need. 47126890 is the new part number.
https://www.etrailer.com/Vehicle-He...ozz6Z6B46KBFoSCqJ9DzEQsmomkOmumYaAs4ZEALw_wcB
This came up with my part number search. Ill pull the plug and check clearance before I order. looks promising.
Kats brand may be junk dono
Ruffdog
I completely agree with what you said about heater type. Convection verses direct contact.
I do appreciate the hose heater suggestion. it made me think.
Thanks Mikw

The link you had was 1 NPT while this is the 3/4 NPT
https://www.etrailer.com/Vehicle-Heaters/Kats-Heaters/KH11409.html

Way back in the 70's when I was working on medium duty trucks, I installed many different block heaters. Some were the freeze plug type and some were the tank type. Kat's was a big brand even back then.

 

[mllud]

I hope I would have noticed the size being wrong before ordering. Thanks for the Kats review. I have had pretty good luck with block heater quality. I lost one to low coolant. My bad.

 

[Egon]

I was just looking at those. It seems that the ones that fit the lower radiator hose would work better.
I don't know about the upper hose because I would have to add heater hose plumbing.
The tapped NPT port for the block heater is accessible just above the starter but two hard fuel lines would have to be bent, and I hate to do that. The fuel line plumbing is so well done.
I don't have experience with the lower radiator hose version but did have an International 1700 series truck 345 eng. with the heater hose version.
Does the lower radiator hose type work well?

The Lower hose location would be Better if the heater can be installed in the proper orientation

 

[mllud]

The Lower hose location would be Better if the heater can be installed in the proper orientation

I haven't seen or read installation instructions on those lower hose heaters.
Is the proper orientation horizontal or vertical?
I think my lower hose would allow either.
Thanks Mike

 

[mllud]

I haven't seen or read installation instructions on those lower hose heaters.
Is the proper orientation horizontal or vertical?
I think my lower hose would allow either.
Thanks Mike

I haven't seen or read installation instructions on those lower hose heaters.
Is the proper orientation horizontal or vertical?
I think my lower hose would allow either.
Thanks Mike

Egon
Or are you saying one side of the heater facing the block. Like, oriented with the heating element facing the engine?
I will probably use a block heater but am curious.

 

[Egon]

I haven't seen or read installation instructions on those lower hose heaters.
Is the proper orientation horizontal or vertical?
I think my lower hose would allow either.
Thanks Mike

On the lower hose heaters I have used there has been vertical and horizontal required. The element has to be in a certain way for the thermostat to operate. Freeze plug heaters also have the same constraints.

Upside down they do not work.

 

[mllud]

Thanks Egon, That's helpful information. A heated shed would be Nice but that's a luxury that I'll never have.
We are just now reaching sub-freezing temperatures here in Missouri.
Even if your tractor starts without an engine heater a cold start is more wear and tear on the engine. I believe in preheating a diesel engine when possible.
Starting fluid is a temptation in cold weather but can be very destructive. It can cause a detonation in the wrong cylinder at the wrong time and cause major damage. Most of the tractor owners here on TBN already know this. Some will disagree, Thats ok.
I appreciate all the help finding answers to questions.
Thanks Mike