1st report: Fully serviced and now 6 hours on it

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KentT

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I was actually pretty surprised at how easy it was to fully service the PT-425. I took my time and followed MossRoad's excellent writeups. (A big thanks! Now I can see what others were complaining about regarding the PT manual).

I found a couple of missing bolts on the side cover plates for the "tunnel", cleaned out a lot of debris, and found a couple of loose connections on the Heim {??} joints or whatever they're called on the treadle control linkage. I tightened those, greased and lubed (white lithium spray) everything, and proceeded to change the engine oil/filter and then the hydraulic filter. Again, thanks to Mossroad, everything went smooth.

The only question/concerns from this whole service were on the grease zerks on the pivot pins. All of them seemed to require a lot of pressure on the handle of the grease gun to pump the grease. I'm still not sure how much grease I got inside the joints, versus how much bled out around the zerk/grease gun connection -- I probably put about 5 pumps on each one, before I noticed the "bleed-out" happening. Is this a common problem, with them being difficult to take grease?

One thing to point out -- that others may have already discovered -- but just in case... When I first checked out the PT I noticed some wear on the steering hoses on one side of the tractor. Rich had to replace the lower pivot bushing a while back -- he broke it, when pulling the PT sideways from a mucky spot where he was stuck -- and thinks he had a bad weld on the original one to begin with... However, in making the repair, it looks like the wire/cable ties that are on the steering cylinder hoses were not replaced on one side side of the tractor (other side has them, so I assume this occurred during the repair). The hoses on this side of the tractor show wear in two spots -- one at the rear, where they rubbed the mounting bolt for the hydraulic cylinder, and the other near the front of the cylinder where it appears they'd been caught between the two halves of the PT when it was articulated. My point is -- those wire/cable ties are important -- they hold the hydraulic hoses together and in an upright location BETWEEN that mounting bolt and the upper part of the PT frame where they can get pinched/worn when articulating... You may want to keep an eye on them!

So far, I've tried the rough-cut mower and the snow/dirt blade for a few minutes each, and spent most of my time with the rock bucket. The attachments seem to work well, and I was VERY impressed with how much faster it is to move dirt with the bucket, in comparison to a "normal tractor" and FEL. In about 3 hours, I filled a hole that took me more than two weekends to excavate with my other tractors. I dug out an old stone foundation for a carriage house to get the rocks to build a retaining wall, so some of that time was spent retreiving the rocks. However, not having to shift gears (other tractors were manual tranny) and the maneuverability of the articulated machine, really make the PT much faster to use. I did find, though, that I had to put the teeth on the rock bucket in order to easily fill it. I first tried the bucket without the teeth, and though I could fill it, it would often take a couple of attempts (new operator?) . With the teeth on it, not only could I fill it full, first time, every time, but I also later found that I could diq quite well in undisturbed soil. In one spot, I dug down between 2 and 3 feet (using a ramp) to collapse the old walls of the foundation and fill the hole in...

I'm VERY pleased with my first few hours with this machine. I have only one complaint -- I've already had two leaks/flats on the tractor from working in the rubble around the 150-year old foundation. One was a puncture -- and I had a tube put in it. The other may be a puncture -- it is acting like a slow leak, right now. So, I'll need to slime the tires, or something, before I take it to the woods to work with it...

Has anyone tried 6-ply tires, or any "puncture resistance" remedy other than Slime? If I add Slime, I can't load the tires with WW fluid for weight...
 
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<font color="blue"> Is this a common problem, with them being difficult to take grease? </font>

It is on ours. The pivot tube on the loader arms is difficult on both sides. The articulating joint on top isn't bad. The one on the bottom is dern near impossible. Wish I had an air operated grease gun.
 
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Now that you have had a chance to work (play) with the new tools (toys), isn't it about time for a new picture?
 
   / 1st report: Fully serviced and now 6 hours on it
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( <font color="blue"> Is this a common problem, with them being difficult to take grease? </font>

It is on ours. The pivot tube on the loader arms is difficult on both sides. The articulating joint on top isn't bad. The one on the bottom is dern near impossible. Wish I had an air operated grease gun. )</font>

The "hidden one" on the tunnel was no problem at all, but both the top and bottom ones on the articulation joints were a pain... The pivot tubes on the arms were a "piece of cake."

Glad to hear that it's "normal" for the articulating joints....

BTW, I spent several minutes trying to find other two grease fittings on the lift arms (they're indicated in the PT manual) and never did find any... I assumed that this was just a "generic PT description" and didn't apply to the 425.

Are there really grease fittings on the lift arms where they attach to the PT -- either on the arms or the lift cylinders?
 
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I just did the 8 hour service on my PT422, and had no problems with it being hard to force grease into any of the grease zerk fittings. You just have to hold the grease gun nozzle on for the first couple of strokes, and after that it never leaked any grease.

If you don't have one already, buy a decent quality grease gun with a flexible hose on it for the nozzle. Maybe the problem is you have a cheap or an old grease gun, and the nozzle doesn't grab the grease fitting tight enough.

I was surprised that I put 30+ pumps of oil into the zerks on the front wheels of the mower, and had none leaking out along the shaft. Was it empty previously, or is there just a big chamber in there you are filling up?
 
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Glad things are working out for you!
I had the steering hose problem when I bought mine. I replaced the hoses and put rubber chair bottoms on the bolts. Eventually I'll flip them around so the bolt head is facing up.
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I was surprised that I put 30+ pumps of oil into the zerks on the front wheels of the mower, and had none leaking out along the shaft. Was it empty previously, or is there just a big chamber in there you are filling up?
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I have found that the wheels DO have a pretty large gap inside. If you take the wheels off the axle, you'll see how big it really is. Yes, it takes a lot of grease!

Sincerely,

Rob /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( . Is this a common problem, with them being difficult to take grease?
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I have found that you need to wipe the zerk really clean every time, and get the fitting on straight. Then it takes loads and loads of grease. I always 'load it up' on these two pivot points, as they do so much work. I usually keep loading up the grease until I start to see clean grease coming out the sides. I wipe excess off with the fingers (My kids always make a face when I show it to them) and pump some MORE in for good measure. I have found that the grease coming out can be dirty, with various dirt and grass mixed in. That's why I never miss my 8 hour maintenance, and always give an awful lot of clean grease and synthetic lube.

Yes, the manual for the 'missing zerks' is wrong. I called Terry at PT and he laughed and said "they oughta fix it, but haven't gotten around to it." They use Super Lube at PT, so that's what I use. Lowe's isn't carrying it anymore, so when my supply runs dry, I'm not sure what to do!

Sincerely,

Rob /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( They use Super Lube at PT, so that's what I use. )</font>

Are you saying that Terry recommends using superlube on the ball type joint instead of white lithium grease, or just on the treadle components? And after I searched all over the place for a can of white lithium, and I have superlube sitting on my shelf...
 
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I bought a 99 dollar, 2 gallon air compressor from Sears and use that for all my grease work. I have a red grease gun for high temp use and a black grease gun for regular lube service (both operate off the compressor). The very high pressure from the compressor eliminates any problem with a tight fitting (center pivot points, upper and lower).
Compressor also used for cleaning and tire filling, one very usefull machine.
PJ
 

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