2 nd layer roof shingles?

   / 2 nd layer roof shingles? #11  
Another risk of shingling over if your state has updated code and excluded the practice of a second layer as a qualified re-roof. Home owners insurance may require proof of a qualified re-roof after a period of time or for new policies.

Several friends and my mother in law were threatened of home owner policies not eligible for renewal if they didn't put a new roof on.
 
   / 2 nd layer roof shingles? #12  
Hmmm ...... I've been out here 40+ years. My insurance company has never asked me anything about my house. Except when I initially applied.

Perhaps because I've faithfully paid and never had a claim.
 
   / 2 nd layer roof shingles? #13  
Hi, I have gotten so much off topic help on the forums here ,And after searching the web, I depend more on peoples opinions here. So The question I have is ..I have a single layer shingle (20 year) presently on the house. (small camp). There is ice and water shield under the lower 4 feet. I plan to install over the present roofing with a 30 year shingle. Yes, I would love to strip the roof. but age has creeped up on me. LOL Anyways the question is is it good or bad to add a layer of black felt paper under the new shingles? I have plenty of this and could get rid of it. Not mention that it would be a good surface to snap some lines. I wonder if the could be a reason why using the felt is a bad idea?
Thanks Allan
Not sure its bad, persay, but I wouldn't. Use the old shingles to line up the new. Like butt the top of the new shingle up against the bottom of the old and just nail away. Might need to cut at the ridge, but the cap shingles covers all that anyways.

If these are architectural shingles though, you might have a hard time making it look smooth, especially after the sun warms them up for a few weeks. Not recommended to shingle over architectural ones.
 
   / 2 nd layer roof shingles? #14  
Oh, also.. Do *not* expect that '30yr' life span out of those shingles. Even in a single layer they don't last as long as they say, 2nd layers are even less.
 
   / 2 nd layer roof shingles? #15  
Hmmm ...... I've been out here 40+ years. My insurance company has never asked me anything about my house. Except when I initially applied.

Perhaps because I've faithfully paid and never had a claim.
Well a couple years ago when renewing my insurance I for some reason did so over the phone.
I was asked a few questions and divulged that I had re done my roof.
That resulted in lowering my premiums, not by a whole lot, but appreciated.
I am aware of a few friends that have been warned that they would no longer be insured for water damage unless they re covered their roof.
Now that might vary with different insurers.
 
   / 2 nd layer roof shingles? #16  
Just for a little humor!

Just got back from a few days in Michigan's north country. We rented a cabin on a lake that turned out to be a little more rustic than we expected. I noticed the shingles on the roof were well past their replace by date. Then, I noticed the layers. I counted 5!!!

At least it was clean.
 
   / 2 nd layer roof shingles? #17  
I bought my first house in 1993 in San Leandro, CA. It's right next to Oakland, in the East Bay. The house already had 2 layers of shingles, but the home inspector said that the roof was bad. On the advice of my realtor, I had the buyer install a 3rd layer. In hindsight, I would never have done that, but I was young and still had a lot to learn about houses and real estate.

I sold the house in 2002 when the housing market was going crazy, and I was expecting to have to put a new roof on it, but my realtor said that they can ask, buy you don't have to if I didn't want to. They would either have to agree to buy the house as is, or walk away.

I've always felt kind of guilty selling that house with 3 layers on the roof. I should have insisted on a tear off when I bought the place. Since then, every house that I've bought, I've stripped the roof, fixed the decking, installed new flashing and 50 year shingles.

You do not need a layer of tar paper for the second layer of shingles. The biggest issue is in using nails long enough to fully penetrate the decking. The shaft of the nail is where the holding power is, so the point has to be fully exposed through the decking. The point has zero holding power.

Short nails are cheaper, and it's a common way for roofers to save a buck. Staples are cheaper, and if installed properly, will hold better, but they are IMPOSSIBLE to consistently install properly because the thickness of the shingles changes with each row, and if a staple cuts the shingle, it's WORTHLESS!!!!

If the decking is bad, the nails will not hold. Plywood is great when it's brand new, but once it's been nailed, the bottom layer has a tendency to blow out, which doesn't leave enough wood to hold a nail. A very detailed inspection of the underside of the decking needs to be done before you go forward with a second layer. OSB doesn't blow out like plywood does, but there is also a limit to how many times it can be nailed and still hold a nail. If it's older and solid wood was used, like 1x4's and 1x6 pine, there is always areas that have broken off and there isn't any decking there at all.

Brand new flashing is super important if you want your fascia to last. Rotten fascia and soffits always start from bad flashing. It is pretty much impossible to replace the flashing and leave the original roof on.

Whatever the rating is for the shingle, cut it in half for the second layer. Because it doesn't lay flat on the first layer, it ages a lot faster. 30 year shingles should last 15 years, but they will be pretty ugly by then.
 
   / 2 nd layer roof shingles? #18  
OP says he's not tearing off and asks about felt or no felt. Half the replies don't address his question. My reply; no felt, no problem. I've seen many many 2 layer roofs last a long time. Mine is 2 layers now, as was my last house.
 
   / 2 nd layer roof shingles? #19  
I was expecting a 2nd layer when I re-roofed 5 years ago. The roofing contractor wouldn't do it. He wanted to see the roof sheathing.
 
   / 2 nd layer roof shingles? #20  
Hmmm ...... I've been out here 40+ years. My insurance company has never asked me anything about my house. Except when I initially applied.

Perhaps because I've faithfully paid and never had a claim.
You just described my mother... until 2 months ago. Apparently an inspector visited her house, now she has a list of things which need to get done, including removing two trees growing over the garage then cleaning the moss off the roof; building a deck, stairs, or something to eliminate the 3 foot drop from the patio door they had installed thirty years ago and never did anything with; and a few other things. She won't let me cut the trees, and finding somebody with time to do it before the deadline has become a challenge.
My brother's going to put a screen door on the patio door, not sure how that qualifies but what I think doesn't matter. (I suggested putting in fiberglass steps like they should have done 30 years ago.)
 

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