2011 JD 5065M won't move and throws a Red Ring light on dash.

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We have a 2011 John Deere 5065M 5 cyl. turbo cab model and it randomly stops moving. The red ring gear illuminates on the dash and it will not move until you put it in Park and neutralize the Power Reverser, turn off the engine and restart. It's very random and it has been in the local JD dealership shop twice. It's only been back a few weeks and it's doing it again. The Clutch Position Sensor, basically a potentiometer, has been changed twice and this last time they also changed the Neutral Switch on top of the transmission. Dealer says it's not throwing error codes and they can't get it to duplicate it of course. It’s a 16F/16R transmission. Tractor has about 2400 hours on it. It's already done it 6 times since coming back from the shop this last time. Son was backing up to hook up to a drag harrow this afternoon and it red ringed on him twice.
 

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I wonder if they are swapping sensors but the problem is a bare wire rubbing somewhere or mice damage.? Good luck.
 
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I wonder if they are swapping sensors but the problem is a bare wire rubbing somewhere or mice damage.? Good luck.
Not exactly sure what they're doing. Quite frankly we've lost confidence in the dealership. We're going to touch base with them the first of the week and see what they say. Other than this it's been a great tractor for tedding, raking and pulling the grain drill but when it stops dead halfway across a road and takes like 5 tries to get it to move when one of them is pulling out of a field we can't have that.

That wire problem is possible, it stays in an insulated equipment shed and a cat stays in there at night but he can't stop every mouse.

I wish i could run across someone that's had the same issue.

It's never shown an error code in the display.

Thanks.
 
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I am really surprised it doesn't store a code when it stops and red light comes on. Does it do it while moving or only after a direction or gear change? Always forward or sometimes reverse as well? The more detail you can give as to when and how it happens can help. Does it happen on level ground, uphill, downhill, on side of hill? Does it ever happen when first started or only after being driven a while? As a dealer tech with many years experience, I can say the intermittent issues are the worst to diagnose, especially when it doesn't leave a clue behind with a code. When that happens, it is absolute guesswork if nothing is visually obvious. There is a bulletin/solution that talks about the neutral switch on top of the transmission that can cause this issue. Some 5M's had 2 different switches on top. Do you know which one they changed? The AM117780 is the one mentioned in the solution. Many things can cause this issue. Several different switches, sensors, solenoids, transmission controller, and many wires. It may be beneficial for dealer to come to you and plug computer in to monitor everything while you operate it if he cant duplicate problem.
 
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I am really surprised it doesn't store a code when it stops and red light comes on. Does it do it while moving or only after a direction or gear change? Always forward or sometimes reverse as well? The more detail you can give as to when and how it happens can help. Does it happen on level ground, uphill, downhill, on side of hill? Does it ever happen when first started or only after being driven a while? As a dealer tech with many years experience, I can say the intermittent issues are the worst to diagnose, especially when it doesn't leave a clue behind with a code. When that happens, it is absolute guesswork if nothing is visually obvious. There is a bulletin/solution that talks about the neutral switch on top of the transmission that can cause this issue. Some 5M's had 2 different switches on top. Do you know which one they changed? The AM117780 is the one mentioned in the solution. Many things can cause this issue. Several different switches, sensors, solenoids, transmission controller, and many wires. It may be beneficial for dealer to come to you and plug computer in to monitor everything while you operate it if he cant duplicate problem.
"I am really surprised it doesn't store a code when it stops and red light comes on."

A mobile independent equipment tech was here last week on a overheating Kubota issue so while he was here we had him take a look at it. He actually pulled up two codes on the little display but could not replicate the issue at hand. I believe he said he thinks it's either another bad clutch position sensor or the forward/reverse solenoid. Amazing that he was able to pull those codes yet JD has been telling us all along that it was not throwing codes. Pictures below.

"Does it do it while moving or only after a direction or gear change?"

Typically once it's moving it's fine. Usually only happens when starting from a full stop or a change in direction but has been known to go a few feet and stop.

"Always forward or sometimes reverse as well?"

Both

"The more detail you can give as to when and how it happens can help. Does it happen on level ground, uphill, downhill, on side of hill?"

Uphill, downhill, flat it can happen with all those. It can run fine drilling oats on 12 acres and you get done and try to unhook the drill and boom it's out or it comes straight out of the shed cold and you go to back up to an implement and it just won't move.

"Does it ever happen when first started or only after being driven a while?"

Both cold and hot, can just have been started or having been running for hours.

"As a dealer tech with many years experience, I can say the intermittent issues are the worst to diagnose, especially when it doesn't leave a clue behind with a code. When that happens, it is absolute guesswork if nothing is visually obvious. There is a bulletin/solution that talks about the neutral switch on top of the transmission that can cause this issue. Some 5M's had 2 different switches on top".

"Do you know which one they changed?"

I don't. I'm holding it in my hand but there's no numbers on it at all. Just the brand name Pollak 4. Picture below.

"It may be beneficial for dealer to come to you and plug computer in to monitor everything while you operate it if he cant duplicate problem."

We tried that yesterday. Son tried to back up to the grain drill and it just stopped when he tried to back up. We called and he sat in the tractor for 30 minutes with it in gear while it was red ringed. They said they had no one that could come out and look at it. He finally got it to move and just put it away but since he was going up the road a ways he got the CaseIH Maxxum out and took it up the road with the drill. They are supposed to come out tomorrow morning.

Here's the two codes he pulled up:
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I know absolutely nothing about your tractor but saying that. Looking at that switch it appears as if it's a simple on/off switch. Can you possibly duplicate the problem by either manually depressing the ball or jumpering the two (I assume there's only two if its an on/off) wires from the harness to see if the the problem occurs?
 
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I know absolutely nothing about your tractor but saying that. Looking at that switch it appears as if it's a simple on/off switch. Can you possibly duplicate the problem by either manually depressing the ball or jumpering the two (I assume there's only two if its an on/off) wires from the harness to see if the the problem occurs?
Possibly. We were supposed to get a call from the local JD dealership first thing this morning, it's 10:17am and we're still waiting. It's Fall planting season but I guess that doesn't matter. Son put the grain drill behind a 120hp CaseIH Maxxum Monday because the Deere refused to back up to the JD grain drill. Looked funny with a 8' grain drill behind a tractor with 38" tires and 120 horses under the hood but it got one more field planted without a glitch. In the last 10-15 years that dealership has gotten right around $100K out of this farm but I guess that's small potatoes to them.
 
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The Tech was here this morning at 8am. It didn't take him long to find an issue with a little micro switch on a wiring harness about 2 feet long. He said the switch is working intermittently and telling the computer that the clutch was in and out at the same time each time the switch wasn't working properly. He ordered a new wiring harness and said it be here Tuesday. He wasn't there but an hour and found out more than the last Tech that had at the dealership for 2 weeks. We just hope it fixes it.

Part they're replacing:
AL158036: Clutch Control Wiring Harness
 
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By your symptoms : I’d say it’s your power reverser switch assy.

The brass contacts inside it gets worn especially with your hours.

I’ve had the same issues with a 5093E & a New PR switch fixed mine
 

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