2011 Superduty Specs Announced

[Duffster]

If that F-350 can tow 21,600 lbs then it must have a GCWR of at least 28k-34k lbs, unless they limit it to 26,000lbs exactly and that truck weighs less then 4,400lbs which I highly doubt (my 1/2 ton weighs 5,200lbs). If that truck has a GCWR of 26,001 lbs or more then you need a CDL license to drive it, even empty.

Section 259:12-e Commercial Motor Vehicle.

Ford is just playing the numbers game as usual knowing most people don't have a clue about GCWR's and GVWR's and all they see is a tow capacity higher then another truck so it must be better.

The Ford truck's that are rated at 26k GCWR or less so you do not need a CDL are only rated to tow 18k lbs which is around the same as the others. In order to get that higher 21k tow capacity you have to move up to a truck with a 4.30 rear end and a GCWR of 33k lbs which is way over CDL. So for this new F-350 to have a tow capacity of 21,600lbs, I guarantee it will have a GCWR of over 26k. This is for the 2010 models but I doubt much has changed for the 2011's.

2010 Ford Super Duty Towing Capacity | The Official Site of the 2010 Ford Super Duty | FordVehicles.com

Did you look at the definition of "GCWR"?

 

[Dmace]

Did you look at the definition of "GCWR"?

Are you asking these questions because you don't know? I believe I have explained it pretty well, if you still don't get it then look it up yourself.

You keep posting these questions like I am saying something wrong, well if you think I am then explain yourself. Please enlighten us...

 

[Diamondpilot]

Lets be honest. Most people towing that type of weight will be legal. The is a exemption for farming, recreational vehicles, ect. That covers most. If you are using it to haul equipment you are more than like likely a farmer which is exempt or you are commercial and have all the DOT regs covered so your argument Dmace does not hold water.

At the end of the day it going to be an non factor. The engine is the only unknown. Time will tell on that. The chassis, interior, options, toughness, looks, tranny, ect is proven time and time again. Ford will do good no matter what with this new truck if anyone has any money to buy one.

Chris

 

[Duffster]

Are you asking these questions because you don't know? I believe I have explained it pretty well, if you still don't get it then look it up yourself.

You keep posting these questions like I am saying something wrong, well if you think I am then explain yourself. Please enlighten us...

I know, I was wondering if you do.

What class of license would you need to drive that empty F350?

 

[LD1]

The problem with comparison specs is that they can be made to say whatever you want. IMO this is not a true apples to apples comparison.

Take for example the following specs on that link

................Ram...........Ford............Chevy
Payload......5110..........6520..........6335
Towing......18500..........24400.........20000
GVWR.........12200..........13050...........13000
Axle rating F...5500........6000...............6000
Rear Axle.......9350.........9000...............9350

For the Ford, that payload spec is from a std cab GAS motor, and the Tow spec is from a F450 Diesel.

The payload specs are skewed in favor of the chevy and ford anyway because they used the spec with the 400lb lighter gas motor but not for the RAM. I'm not sure if 2011 is different but in 2010 ford rated the diesels with a 400lb less payload with the diesel.

It is also kinda ironic that the ford has the highest payload yet the lowest rated rear axle??

I'm not sure what the Actual specs of the 2011 F-350 are, but if you read the artical, The F-450 has lowered the GVWR by almost 1500lbs down to 13050 and that lowered the payload to under 5000lbs. So if I understand their # game correctally, The F-350 can haul almost a ton more than the F450, but tow 3000lbs less???

 

[Dmace]

I know, I was wondering if you do.

What class of license would you need to drive that empty F350?

If the GCWR is 26,001 lbs or more then you need at least a CDL class B license. And in order for that "class leading" truck to have a 21k+ tow capacity, the GCWR will be 33K or more.

Once again, feel free to enlighten us with your infinite knowledge on this subject rather then asking me questions...

 

[Duffster]

If the GCWR is 26,001 lbs or more then you need at least a CDL class B license. And in order for that "class leading" truck to have a 21k+ tow capacity, the GCWR will be 33K or more.

Once again, feel free to enlighten us with your infinite knowledge on this subject rather then asking me questions...

This is hilarious.:laughing:

You and I both know that a CDL isn't required to drive a F350 unless you are pulling enough trailer to make it a CMV. (or hauling Hazmat or enough passengers)

 

[JB4310]

if anyone has any money to buy one.
Chris

LOL! I wanted to say the exact same thing, but didn't want to sound like a complainer, the market for those trucks by contractors like me is drying up.

I know different locals go through the economic cycles at different times, but around here it's pretty bad.


As far as the farm exemption goes, I heard anything that turns a profit is considered commercial, even heard of the extreme where if you won a prize at a farm show that could be considered a financial gain??

JB.

 

[thompsjk]

If that F-350 can tow 21,600 lbs then it must have a GCWR of at least 28k-34k lbs, unless they limit it to 26,000lbs exactly and that truck weighs less then 4,400lbs which I highly doubt (my 1/2 ton weighs 5,200lbs). If that truck has a GCWR of 26,001 lbs or more then you need a CDL license to drive it, even empty.

Section 259:12-e Commercial Motor Vehicle.

Ford is just playing the numbers game as usual knowing most people don't have a clue about GCWR's and GVWR's and all they see is a tow capacity higher then another truck so it must be better.

The Ford truck's that are rated at 26k GCWR or less so you do not need a CDL are only rated to tow 18k lbs which is around the same as the others. In order to get that higher 21k tow capacity you have to move up to a truck with a 4.30 rear end and a GCWR of 33k lbs which is way over CDL. So for this new F-350 to have a tow capacity of 21,600lbs, I guarantee it will have a GCWR of over 26k. This is for the 2010 models but I doubt much has changed for the 2011's.

2010 Ford Super Duty Towing Capacity | The Official Site of the 2010 Ford Super Duty | FordVehicles.com

Commercial motor vehicle'' shall mean a motor vehicle or a combination of motor vehicles, used in commerce, designed or used to transport passengers or property if:


Webster's
Commerce : Trade on a large scale.

So I don't see any thing for private use.

 

[Dmace]

You and I both know that a CDL isn't required to drive a F350 unless you are pulling enough trailer to make it a CMV. (or hauling Hazmat or enough passengers)

Obviously you don't know that a CDL is required for ANY vehicle with a GCWR of 26,001lbs or more whether it's empty or loaded to it's max. If the vehicle is capable of carrying a combined load over 26,000lbs it still requires a CDL even if it's total load is less. How about a box truck that is rated at 30,000lbs GCWR? There is no trailer and it's empty weight is well under 26,000lbs but you still need a CDL to drive it. There has been plenty of discussion on this and many people have been fined not knowing the law. Ask your local highway patrol, I did and that's how I know.

Commercial motor vehicle'' shall mean a motor vehicle or a combination of motor vehicles, used in commerce, designed or used to transport passengers or property if:

This is where the wording gets tricky, they can and will fine you if you are over the limit and don't have a CDL even if you are not doing it for commerce. Once again, ask your local Highway Patrol officer. I did when I started hauling around my tractor and he said even if I was just bringing it to the dealer, I would have to follow the max GCWR of 26,000lbs without a CDL.