2011 Superduty Specs Announced

[thompsjk]

I didn't list the exemptions to a CDL, in order to keep my post short, but here goes.....

Exemptions from CDL Requirements
Even if your vehicle is a commercial vehicle according to the definition above, you may qualify for one of the CDL exemptions. There are four categories of CDL exemptions.

Recreational vehicle exemption - applies to drivers of vehicles used exclusively to transport personal possessions or family members for nonbusiness or recreational purposes.

Military vehicle exemption - applies to military vehicle operators who are considered active-duty military personnel and to civilians who are required to wear uniforms and are subject to the Code of Military Justice.

Emergency vehicle exemption - applies to drivers of fire fighting or other emergency equipment used in response to emergencies involving the preservation of life or property.

Farm vehicle exemption - applies to drivers of farm vehicles, including family members and farm hands, under certain conditions only. The farm exemption applies to drivers of farm vehicles which are:

1. Controlled and operated by the farmer,

2. Used to transport agricultural products, supplies, and machinery to or from a farm,

3. Not used in common or contract carrier operations, and

4. Not driven more than 150 miles ("as the crow flies") from the farm.

The farm exemption is intended for small farm-to-market operations only. It does not extend beyond the boundaries of Idaho with exception of Wyoming, Oregon, and Montana. It does not include farmers who are transporting other farmers' products if they are receiving any compensation for the services.

The RV exemption is what allowed me to pull my 21k GVWR fifth wheel with a IH 4400 that has a 25,999 GVWR. Idaho doesn't include the RV in the GCWR. I also found out there isn't a provision for an air brake endorsement on a non-CDL license.(in Idaho)

What was the definition above?

The way I read it is if the vehicle is not commercial a CDL is not needed regardless of the GCVWR.:confused2:

 

[RobertN]

I think it is a step like Dodge did. I would take their old V10 over a modern Hemi. Have a very good friend that tows a 34' 5th wheel with one. Nice for a gasser.

I would take the Dodge V10 over the Ford if they still made them though...

My V10 will eat that Hemi for lunch.... Oh that was the other thread....sorry.:laughing:

I agree though, Ford is taking a step backwards by replacing the V10 with this thing. It may turn out to be a great engine, but still a step back to me.

 

[Dmace]

GCWR for CDL purposes has alway been GVWR+GVWR.

This is what I'm talking about, it's not what your actual load is that determines CDL requirements, it's the legal load the vehicle is capable of. So if you have a new F-350 4x4 DRW with a GVWR of 13,000lbs then you can only haul a trailer rated at 13,000lbs or less without a CDL. Even if the truck and trailer are EMPTY, you can not have a larger trailer without a CDL.

 

[Duffster]

This is what I'm talking about, it's not what your actual load is that determines CDL requirements, it's the legal load the vehicle is capable of. So if you have a new F-350 4x4 DRW with a GVWR of 13,000lbs then you can only haul a trailer rated at 13,000lbs or less without a CDL. Even if the truck and trailer are EMPTY, you can not have a larger trailer without a CDL.

So what is different from previous years?

As long as GVWR has been over 12k it would put a common 14k trailer into CDL territory.

 

[JB4310]

So what is different from previous years?

As long as GVWR has been over 12k it would put a common 14k trailer into CDL territory.

What's different is, some of these new super duper duties have GCWR's of over 26000 lbs. only the diesels with the lower gear ratios, but those are the majority of their line up.

Idaho's Commercial Driver's License (CDL) Program is designed to improve safety on our highways while meeting federal requirements for testing and licensing of all commercial drivers. You must have a CDL to operate any of the following commercial vehicles:

1. Combination vehicle with a gross combination weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, provided that the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the towed unit is greater than 10,000 pounds,

According to DOT regulations already linked to or quoted here, if the trucks GCWR is higher than 26000 lbs then regardless of the trucks GVWR, 10,000 is the limit for trailer before CDL required.
So no it's not GVWR + GVWR

So using those regs and specs, a 2011 F350 SD w/DRW, diesel engine and 3.73 gears has a GCWR of 29,000lbs. so that means even with the truck at curb weight (aprx 8500lbs) you couldn't couple a trailer rated 10,001 pounds to it without a CDL?
I know it sounds so stupid that it can't be true, but that's how I'm interpreting what I'm reading.

You can get the F-350's GCWR under 26000 by going with highway gears in the diesel or go with the gas engine

That's the crux of what I stated in my previous post #34 and should answer those questions you asked me in you reply #36
Not 100% sure they're the right answers but...

EDIT: The more I look at #1 in 77bronco's quote I must be misinterpreting combination vehicle to mean just the tow vehicle. It must refer to both the tow vehicle and the trailer???? Sorry

JB.

 

[Dmace]

So what is different from previous years?

As long as GVWR has been over 12k it would put a common 14k trailer into CDL territory.

The difference is those trucks previously never had GCWR's over 26k lbs. I'm sure it varies from state to state, but around here if you are driving a truck with a rated GCWR of over 26k lbs then you need a CDL, period. Even if you are just driving the truck with nothing attached. That is why the other truck manufacturers limit their GCWR's to exactly 26k lbs. Try driving around a big rig tractor with no trailer attached and when you get pulled over with no CDL, tell them you only need it when the trailer is attached. I'm sure they will understand...

 

[Duffster]

What's different is, some of these new super duper duties have GCWR's of over 26000 lbs. only the diesels with the lower gear ratios, but those are the majority of their line up.



According to DOT regulations already linked to or quoted here, if the trucks GCWR is higher than 26000 lbs then regardless of the trucks GVWR, 10,000 is the limit for trailer before CDL required.
So no it's not GVWR + GVWR

So using those regs and specs, a 2011 F350 SD w/DRW, diesel engine and 3.73 gears has a GCWR of 29,000lbs. so that means even with the truck at curb weight (aprx 8500lbs) you couldn't couple a trailer rated 10,001 pounds to it without a CDL?
I know it sounds so stupid that it can't be true, but that's how I'm interpreting what I'm reading.

You can get the F-350's GCWR under 26000 by going with highway gears in the diesel or go with the gas engine

That's the crux of what I stated in my previous post #34 and should answer those questions you asked me in you reply #36
Not 100% sure they're the right answers but...

EDIT: The more I look at #1 in 77bronco's quote I must be misinterpreting combination vehicle to mean just the tow vehicle. It must refer to both the tow vehicle and the trailer???? Sorry

JB.

I think I see where you were coming from now.

And I think you seeing what i mean when they talk about GCWR for figuring the need for a CDL, GCWR= GVWR + GVWR. It really should be called CGVWR.

The GCWR listed in the truck specs has no bearing on the need of a CDL.

 

[Duffster]

The difference is those trucks previously never had GCWR's over 26k lbs. I'm sure it varies from state to state, but around here if you are driving a truck with a rated GCWR of over 26k lbs then you need a CDL, period. Even if you are just driving the truck with nothing attached. That is why the other truck manufacturers limit their GCWR's to exactly 26k lbs. Try driving around a big rig tractor with no trailer attached and when you get pulled over with no CDL, tell them you only need it when the trailer is attached. I'm sure they will understand...

That doesn't make sense Dmace, you can specifically drive a truck with a GVWR of 26000 without a CDL and a truck with a GVWR would certainly have a GCWR higher than 26k.

 

[Dmace]

That doesn't make sense Dmace, you can specifically drive a truck with a GVWR of 26000 without a CDL and a truck with a GVWR would certainly have a GCWR higher than 26k.

That's the way it is, yeah you can drive a truck with a GVWR of up to 26k lbs without a CDL but the GCWR of that truck cannot be over 26k lbs either. Neither number can be over that magic number. This is so you can drive something like a flat bed tow truck with a GVWR of 26k lbs but the GCWR is also 26k lbs so you cannot tow more then 26k minus the truck weight.

I will post this link again and quote it for you:
Section 259:12-e Commercial Motor Vehicle.

The vehicle has a gross vehicle weight rating or gross combination weight rating of 26,001 or more pounds

Pay close attention to the word OR which I highlighted in red for you. Does it make sense yet...?

 

[dieselfreak]

I am glad to see they did not compromise anything and are able to still be at the head of the pack.

Chris

GM has not released any details in the new DMAX yet. So don't be in a hurry to hand a crown to Ford. I see no more 6 speed manual, which kinda surprised me, now Just Dodge left with the hand shaker.

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