Backhoe 2210 backhoe

[cadblaster]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I have a Woods hoe for a 2210 on order and I'm not going to have it for another 3 months.)</font>

That must be the one you have on order for my neighbor. I will be performing the installation. I guess I get to be the test case. I suppose I'll have to take a bunch of pictures and post the results. Hmmm, can you put a rush on that order /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

[Wildman1]

Apparently, JD is coming out with a hoe and is supposed to unveil it at a Florida conference of JD dealers the end of October. This is in addition to the new Woods Groundbreaker hoe. They're both supposed to be sub-frame mounted. The Woods is tractor hydraulics operated and comes with a power beyond kit and a swiveling replacement seat.

One question I have is about the hydraulics. Some say a PTO driven pump and independent hydraulics is the way to go. Others go for using tractor hydraulics. Others say the PTO system is more expensive and is ususally an option but better. ???? So...what's the consensus here?

Thanks

 

[Ledgemere Farm]

If you have a high GPM pump flow on the tractor, a PTO driven pump is not necessary.

 

[fpc]

Did this new backhoe attachment come out as mentioned here at the end of october?

 

[cadblaster]

I was just in the JD dealership yesterday and spoke with the salesman about this very topic. He didn't offer up any information regarding a BH made by JD for the 2210. If there is going to be one, he didn't know anything about it.

In addition, my neighbor had planned on buying the Woods BH for the JD2210 from Messick's in PA. He placed a deposit on it some time ago with the understanding that they would be available right about now. Hs spoke with Messicks last week and was told that they (Woods) has still not started to build them yet (for the 2210). Apparently Neal Messick was quite frustrated about the information they got from Woods. My neighbor has since opted to look at mini excavators instead. Messicks is going to drive one down from PA for us to take a look at.

 

[rockyridgefarm]

No offense, but if the Woods is what you want, it might pay to check with Woods, or another dealer. A quick search of Neal Messick's postings here will show he is not above serving disinformation about Deere, not to mention his attempts to compete directly with TBN. I am not saying that he is wrong about Woods, in this case, but it would be good to check with another source, as well. Actually, this should be the case with any dealer. It might be as simple as they are required some kind of minimum for the green version of an attachment and a Kubota Dealer really can't justify it.

 

[cadblaster]

Well it is all a moot point at this juncture, as my neighbor is now considering a mini excavator, but yes it is very possible to call them (Woods) up and get a status. I've read where others have called them up and asked them questions.

Neal made no indication that it made any difference to order a green one, as he is already a Woods dealer. He did take a deposit so he would not be stuck with a green one on an orange lot. I think that was reasonable.

I have no personal knowledge about Neal giving any disinformation about Deere. I am aware of him starting his own board, but I am not sure that any of that matters in this particular case. I am not going to defend him nor cruify him or Messicks Inc. I am only reporting what I have heard. Whether the statements are factual or not I'll leave up to someone else to verify.

I can tell you that my Deere dealer can be pretty clueless about 3rd party implements. In fact, they don't keep much of an inventory of implements at all, and what they do carry are either JD or Frontier 99% of the time. When I was there on Monday, they had only about 6-8 or so out "on display" and only 1 wasn't green. That's the reason I sent my neighbor to talk to Messicks about ordering the BH. I know if he'd done it through our dealer, he'd be looking a full list price, plus a markup, plus shipping. It's too bad, but they are just not very competative. It's probably due to our local more than anything.

 

[rockyridgefarm]

Yeah, I m sorry if that came as a personal slam to Neil, just a consider the source on any info... It would be hard not to like a mini excavator, anyway.

Personally, If I were a Deere dealer, I wouldn't touch another brand hoe with a 50' pole, either... Not that they are bad, but it can be such a mess for the dealer due to liability issues...

 

[keeney]

It has been my experience that brand-name dealers carry the 3rd-party attachments not as a profit center for selling the attachments, but so as to enable the sale of a tractor when somebody comes in and asks for something the major brand doesn't make.

The salespeople don't have the ability to be knowledgable on all the 3rd-party attachments, and there probably is not a lot of money in it for them.

In the case where there is a competing name-brand and 3rd-party versions of the same thing, it gets even more difficult to get good information and good servce out of the dealer because he is more interested in selling the name-brand.

For example, I was looking at a Wallenstein backhoe for my JD4100. After looking at the unit in the distributor's wharehouse, the Wallenstein distributor sent me to a JD dealer buddy of his to actually run the purchase through. The dealer wasted all my time trying to talk me into the JD backhoe for an extra $1000 which I already knew I didn't want anyway because I wanted a 3-point, not the awkward JD 46 BH frame-mount. He didn;t budge from list price a penny on the Wallenstein because that would widen the gap further to what he could do on the JD.

When I told the Wallenstein guy about it, he apologized and said that he didn't realize JD made a backhoe for my tractor (the 46 was new at the time). Then he gave me the phone number of a Kubota dealer buddy (his son-in-law) who was much more motivated to work the easy sale dropped in his lap (and couldn't sell me a JD BH, and the Kubota BH he could sell me wouldn't fit my JD, so had no other choice). His price was about $1000 lower than the JD dealer's price for the exact same unit.

I didn't end up buying any backhoe, but I sure learned a lot about those two dealerships and how sales really happen on 3rd-party attachments.

Bottom line - for third party attachments, find the manufacturer's rep/distributor for the territory in question and get the skids greased with him to run the deal through his favorite dealership / sales guy. Also, he is the one to talk to directly about delivery schedules. He is going to care a lot more about the sale than the dealership.

- Rick