2210 Rear PTO and Safety Switch

fgross335_2210 · May 25, 2004

I recall a post where a 2210 owner added a mercury switch to the seat wiring. When the seat if flipped up it maintains the circuit allowing PTO use w/o someone sitting there. When flipped down the mercury switch is open allowing the safety switch to operate normally. Seems like Deere could have built this in.........

KENSFM · May 26, 2004

"Seems like Deere could have built this in"
With the new government regulations mercury switches are a No No.
Ken /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

fgross335_2210 · May 26, 2004

OK then how about a positional switch that only activates when the seat is folded forward? I don't care if it's mercury or krytonite as long as the rear PTO will run w/o a rider.

755inNY · May 26, 2004

<font color="blue"> OK then how about a positional switch that only activates when the seat is folded forward? </font>

That is the setup on my JD 755. To operate the PTO when not in the seat you tip the seat forward and pull up on the safety switch actuator. It places the safety switch to an always "on" position. When you drop the seat back down the safety switch returns to its normal position that requires an operator in the seat for PTO operation.

I'm sure JD could do it on the 2210 but why didn't they?

Jeff

GaryK · May 26, 2004

My 4100 has a bar under the seat that flips down

wisconsinguy · May 27, 2004

hi

I guess I was wrong in an earlier post when I said disconnect the switch and it will run fine. It works the other way around, the switch needs to be closed. If you jumper the wire from the seat switch it will work. It would be easy to put a switch under the seat for the times you need the chipper.

Phil

GreenDeerJohn · May 27, 2004

Bill,

I don’t have any stationary attachments as yet, but I hope to borrow my father-in-law’s chipper some day and will need to have the PTO on my 2210 to work when stationary. I’ve got the shop manual for our tractor and will investigate some of the wiring schematics this weekend. I recent completed some extensive wiring additions for extra lights and a 12-volt out let on the rear, so I’m sure something can be easily done.

I think our 2210’s are considered by many as overgrown garden tractors, /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif so we get more safety interlocks than the bigger 10-series. /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif It could be worse, we could have an X-595s that require you to hold up on the PTO switch ever time you hit the reverse pedal, or it will shut off the PTO/mower deck. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

It would be nice to incorporate the 4110/4115 under seat switches to make it function and look OEM. I’ll research this weekend and post my findings. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

John

cadblaster · Jun 1, 2004

Yes, let us know what you come up with.

I too don't have any stationary attachments. The most likely one I would want is a chipper, though after borrowing a friend's Vermeer tow-behind this weekend I don't think I could live with a unit that doesn't have a hydraulic feed.

I'd also like to hear about or see schematics for your wiring additions (extra lights). I bought some lights awhile ago, just haven't gotten around to mounting them yet. From what little investigation I have put in to it. I think it'll require an addtional line run to the back to support the added lights.

I had a Cub Cadet at my last house, it would kick out the mower every time you went in to reverse, that was very aggravating. At least the X-595 guys can overide that function. That is a big plus. I think that Deere either made a mistake in the philosphy of the 2210, or it was an oversight. Either way, I'm sure there is a way to correct this "injustice".

BTW, what'd the shop manual set you back? Is it a worthwhile purchase?

GreenDeerJohn · Jun 2, 2004

Bill,

I stopped by the JD dealer last Friday and looked at the seat switches on some of the bigger machines. Those units that allow you to pull up on the seat switch to keep the PTO running when stationary, use four wires. The seat switch on the 2210 is actually in the bottom of the seat cushion, and only uses 2 wires. This four wire switch is quite large and I don't see any easy way to adapt it to the 2210.

I think I will search for an aftermarket push/bull switch that can be wired in parallel with the OEM switch. You can jumper the OEM switch, but if you forget to remove the jumper before you put the seat down, this saftey feature would no longer function. A push/pull switch mounted to the seat frame and wired in parallel to the OEM switch, could be setup such that when the seat is lowered it would push this new switch down (open circuit) and the OEM seat switch would continue to work correctly. Flip the set forward, pull up on the new switch (closed circuit) and the PTO will run.

If you pull up my personal information on my call sign, you can view all of my post. Look for the one on auxilary lights. I explained what I had done and included several pictures of the lights and switches. I did run a separate supply directly from the battery, through a 40 amp fuse, through a relay tied to the ignition switch to an additional 6 circuit fuse block. The fuse block feeds the three switches I mounted on the dash. I'll try to figure out a nice way to sketch the two wire harnses I made and will post them.

The service manual was $40.17 and is the same manual that the guys at the JD show use. I had one on for my 445 and found it quite useful. The light wiring changes would have taken longer with out the wirng schematics from the 2210 shop manual. They have very detailed wiring schematics. It also includes detialed hydraulic diagrams and information on all segments of the tractor. I perform all my own maintence and repairs and like being as informed as the JD dealer. (They don't always like that!) /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif

Later,
John /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

cadblaster · Jun 3, 2004

John,

You must shoot par in golf 'cause your post shows great "follow-through" /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I too thought about using a push/pull switch that would be disengaged (switched off, made open) by the seat. Though it might be tough to find a switch AND a mounting position that would work well together. So if you couldn't mount the switch in that fashion I think that adding another tilt switch to the seat (like a mercury switch) would be a good safety backup in the event that anyone would forget to switch the PTO off.
Of course right now this is purely an intellectual exercise /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif since I don't currently own any stationary 3 pt. attachments, but who knows.

My old Cub Cadet had a seat switch that I tried to bypass before. What I found was that a simple bypass wouldn't work. I didn't investigate it in too much detail, but I recall that there was some measured resistance to the "switch". This led me to believe that it was more than a simple switch. I don't know if this is the case with the 2210, but it should be looked in to. I would suspect that the schematics might indicate it if there were something other than a switch.

I D/L'd your pics for the light installation. The switches look good. Did your Deere dealer let you rummage through their parts bins to find them? If you have pics of the fuse block wiring under the hood that'd be cool. I have some other thoughts and questions about the lights but if I don't go ahead and post this I'll never get it out. It's been a busy day.

Based on your description, it sounds like the manual is a good idea for me too.