3-Point Hitch 3-point newbie

   / 3-point newbie #11  
Thanks all for clarifications!

I have a FEL that works.

I will try with adding weight to the lifting arms. My weight box is only about 10 kg empty, the weights that goes into it is 20 kg each, thank Tor for the winch.

All fluids were changed after I bought the tractor.

If the problem is not solved I will follow up......

If the original planned use was to only move snow the lift arms may have been removed and repositioned to rest in the down position at a higher level than normal so no pressure on the hydraulic system. Especially if the system was failing and causing the weight box to drag.

So even if the fluids were changed the system needs to be cleaned and flushed to remove blockages in the ports to the 3-point system.

If the lift-arms will not lift there is no flow.

Goodluck
 
   / 3-point newbie #12  
Halsning fran New Hampshire!

On my SCUT, if I have nothing mounted on the 3PH system (no mower deck, no implement), I have to manually pull down on the arms to get them to drop, providing the 3PH lever is in the "Lower" position and the "Drop Speed" knob is not fully closed.

Without your weight box, you may have to do the same- sounds like a "gravity down" system.

Wilkommen til TBN!
 
   / 3-point newbie #13  
turn the tractor on. you might need to "engage" the PTO. so it spins on back of the tractor. and then use the lever to see if the arms raise and/or lower. the PTO is a small little shaft between the arms and just slightly above them on back of the tractor. and below the center top link of the 3 point hitch.
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it's a pretty sure thing that the arms SHOULD lower without the pto on.. even IF the pto had to be on to raise them.. IE.. in the case of a machine with a non live belly pump like a ford 8n.

the exhaust feature should still work without the pto.. it's not a DA cyl.. it's SA.

soundguy
 
   / 3-point newbie #14  
a pi would help visualize this.

also.. do the arms RAIS when the touch control lever is moved up?

is there some kind of diverter in the system that switches hyds to the loader.. etc?

soundguy
 
   / 3-point newbie #15  
any chance of some pictures? rear of tractor showing all of the 3 pt hitch arms / chains / etc... on it.... but without the weight box.

and if possible picture of controls on tractor?

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others got me to thinking. if weight box was on tractor all the time. the last owner may have tossed on a linkage from arms to another part of tractor to permanently fix the arms in place per say. or at least greatly reduce how far the arms can move up and down and perhaps they just wiggle a little bit up and down.

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Originally Posted by boggen
turn the tractor on. you might need to "engage" the PTO. so it spins on back of the tractor. and then use the lever to see if the arms raise and/or lower. the PTO is a small little shaft between the arms and just slightly above them on back of the tractor. and below the center top link of the 3 point hitch.
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it's a pretty sure thing that the arms SHOULD lower without the pto on.. even IF the pto had to be on to raise them.. IE.. in the case of a machine with a non live belly pump like a ford 8n.

the exhaust feature should still work without the pto.. it's not a DA cyl.. it's SA.

soundguy

ya took me out of context some there, but regardless, i would think so as well. *arms* lowering even without tractor on and need to just move correct levers / button and maybe a little down pressure / weight on arms. but as you and others have said. transport lock, small twist valve or lever to slow down how fast the arms lower.

and comments about a valve stuck, or clogged up. is good sense to. example this past winter, allis chalmers CA the cylinders would either get stuck all the way up or part way between. and would not drop or raise. after replacing all seals, gaskets, 0-rings. along with replacing broken pto shaft that drives the hyd pump. everything is fine. and assuming the gunk on the stuff was reason for the problems.

for me it was not as simple as change filters, cleaning screens, complete oil change. due to stuff was done built up and clogging the ball bearings that were acting like check valves. and not letting the hyd fluid flow like it should.
 
   / 3-point newbie #16  
ya took me out of context some there, but regardless, i would think so as well. .

I wasn't trying to.. and don't really think I did.

not many tractors ( none I can currently think of using SA hyds ) need the pto running to lower the 3pt hitch... that's usually a valving issue.

Perhaps if you had pilot operated check valves on a DA rear 3pt.. then you might need the TRACTOR running.. but doubtfull the pto needs to be on..

that was the only point I was trying to convey.. wasn't trying to be contrary..

soundguy
 
   / 3-point newbie #17  
SA = single acting cylinder ((one hose goes to cylinder))
DA = double acting cylinder ((has two hoses connecting to cylinder))

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don't worry about it SoundGuy. just trying to bring up different possibilities and i know, more so now, i didn't explain myself as good as i should of.
 
   / 3-point newbie
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#18  
Oh dear! !

When I finally got to the farm and started up the tractor I noticed that the FEL was moving extremely slow....
Found a leak and fixed it......
Empty hydraulic reservoir....
Filled up with fresh oil and suddenly not only the FEL worked OK but the three point raises and lowers as You might expect. If there is a load on the arms they go down, otherwise not.

I must confess that I didn't even check the level before since I knew the hydraulic sytem was serviced only a month before I bought the tractor, I even spoke to the service guy on the phone....
Lesson relerned again? Never, ever trust anyone but yourself!
/Lars
 
   / 3-point newbie #19  
Glad to hear it was something simple!

"Never overlook the obvious" is something I've told myself too many times to count..:ashamed:
 
   / 3-point newbie #20  
glad to hear you found the leak. keep an eye on it a while and make sure the level does not keep dropping.

also, use a good quality oil for the hyds.. many use a utf, especially if it is a common sump machine

soundguy

Oh dear! !

When I finally got to the farm and started up the tractor I noticed that the FEL was moving extremely slow....
Found a leak and fixed it......
Empty hydraulic reservoir....
Filled up with fresh oil and suddenly not only the FEL worked OK but the three point raises and lowers as You might expect. If there is a load on the arms they go down, otherwise not.

I must confess that I didn't even check the level before since I knew the hydraulic sytem was serviced only a month before I bought the tractor, I even spoke to the service guy on the phone....
Lesson relerned again? Never, ever trust anyone but yourself!
/Lars
 

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