Sprayer 3 pt Sprayer Advice

   / 3 pt Sprayer Advice #21  
Just to play devil's advocate on spraying turf while mowing, I foresee a couple of problems....

Having been taught to be very thoughtful about spraying chems (field, lawn and trees), I have learned to carefully calibrate my sprayer. In most turf applications, the boom width is much greater than the mower deck width, so you would certainly be overlapping a considerable portion of the mower path. The result would probably overapplication of the chem which could damage your turf, not to mention cost a considerable extra amount of money. Aslo, properly calculating an application of 2-4D, Banville, or pesticide requires a constant tractor speed with planned turns. This further complicates the application rate. Finally, spray drift/blowing could be a big problem caused by mower blow-out. Maybe I'm missing something, but I've always been taught that spraying is a dedicated practice.

Of course if there were a way to properly calibrate the spray job to be done in conjunction with mowing, a belly mower and a 3-PH model would work. I'd just hate to stop to refill the sprayer very often in the middle of a mow.

In an agricultural field application, the multi-tasking setup is more practical, i.e. disking and spraying with a boom width about the same as the disk gang.

As to one of the original questions, you can find good roller pumps at a fair price under $100. We always keep a new spare or rebuilt pump handy to stay productive. Also, many farmers keep two or more pumps around for a single unit so they can have a dedicated pump for spraying Round Up, and another for, say, selective herbicides or pesticides. The silver-plated roller pumps are the most corrosion resistant, but run several hundred $. Most pump manufacturers make roller replacement and rebuild kits that are reasonably priced and pumps are easy enough to rebuild.

I have a new, extra pump sitting in my garage that I got on sale when Quality Farm and Country sold ot to TSC. I may noy have to use it for years, but I know its there. Just make sure to rinse and re-rinse you tank and use a cleaning solution after using the acidic chems, such as Round-up. Most residual problems come from chems impregnated in rubber seals and filters, and there are a few good inexpensive specialized tank and line cleaners that will keep you unit ready for the next applcation. And ALWAYS take your roller pump off in the winter and thouroughly flush and drain the unit. I found a new roller pump split wide open like a frozen egg in my father-in-laws barn one winter as the hired man had forgotten to remove it after flushing it for the winter.
 
   / 3 pt Sprayer Advice #22  
I am going to agree with Bigpete on not spraying while mowing. I've no experience in it, but I know that when I mow I end up doing multiple circles around trees and shrubs to cut up to them because the turning radius of the tractor is too wide so if I was spraying while mowing I would end up spraying the same area 2 or 3 times if my spray pattern was only as wide as the mower. If the sprayer was wider than the mower it would seem to me that some areas would get considerably more chemical than some other areas. Further, I would think that with a boom sprayer I would probably be driving a different pattern than I drive when mowing because the boom width and and because I would want to make sure I did not double or triple spray an area.
 
   / 3 pt Sprayer Advice #23  
EastTexFrank,
I'm beginning to think that the subject of sprayers and liquid chemicals can be as complicated, if not more, than the discussions on which tractor to buy!

There is really a lot of good discussion going on here, and after spending some more time at Tractor Supply Store (TSC) this afternoon I have more answers as well as more questions. Based upon limited interaction with this particular TSC salesman (manager?), I feel that he is pretty honest and straight-forward with his information.

Some of the prices that I got from TSC:

3-point hitch 60 gallon w/10', 7 nozzle boom - $419.00, which accidently missed the markup to $449, but I can still have it for $419 if I buy in the next day or two. No pump is included with the price. Standard Roller pump or silver...?? Total price out the door with pump kit (non-silver) and tax was between $550-$575.

Stand-alone 25 gallon wand sprayer (ATV Style) with 2.1 gpm 12V pump - $179. No boom sprayer option.

Tow-behing 25 gallon boom sprayer (wand sprayer included), 2.1 gpm 12V pump - $279, but salesman says the wand is a cheaper wand than the ATV model above.

Some advice that I got from TSC salesman:

I mentioned that I want to "boom" spray 2,4D and "wand" spray Round-Up, and that it made sense to me that using the same sprayer to dispense those liquids as well as liquid fertilizer would save me from having to buy/borrow a broadcast spreader for the fertilizer.

The salesman highly recommended using granular fertilizer since liquid fertilizer is one of the harshest liquids to use in a sprayer, and recommended having different spraying machines for the 2,4D and Round-Up.

I was originally leaning toward paying almost $600 for the 3-point hitch PTO pump sprayer since it could be used for many applications. Now I'm learning that it may not be advisable to use it for the multiple applications that I intended. So now I think that the ATV model 25 gallon 12V sprayer and stand-alone battery may sit just fine on my 3-point hitch Carry-All or in my FEL for this year's applicaton of 2,4D. Will a stand-alone battery do the job? Maybe I'll need to set my generator on the Carry-All instead of the battery...

Or maybe buy the tow-behind boom sprayer, and if it gets too bouncy (as mentioned in another post) then I might consider letting it ride on the Carry-All...

Thanks for all the information. Here are my specific questions:

(1) Will a stand-alone auto-type battery (deep cycle?) provide adequate power for the 12V pump sprayers?
(2) How many people use fertilizer or other "helpful" liquids in their sprayer after using Round-Up in the same sprayer? How much problem is the residual Round-Up?

Thanks,
Kelvin
 
   / 3 pt Sprayer Advice #24  
I claim to being somewhat **** about it, but I absolutely NEVER mix fertilizers and herbicides. The only fertilizers I use are organic and I refuse to use them in any tank that is ever used for chemical herbicides or pesticides. Now I will use pesticides and herbicides in the same container. If you mix herbicides and pesticides there are neutralizers you can use to clean the tanks.

The spray rig I am building is a dual tank system that runs on 12 volt power from the tractor. One tank will be used for fertilizers. One tank will be used for pesticides & herbicides. Both pumps will wired using a "cigarette lighter plug" and I have installed a cigarette lighter receptical on the back of my tractor so I simply can plug the pump into the back of the tractor. I picked up the cigarette lighter receptical at a local big box store, it is a water resistent model designed for installation in the bed of a pick up truck and came with 12' of wires and a weather resistent housing, the cost was about $12. It installs in a 1-1/16" hole that I drilled into a piece of angle iron that I attached on the rear of the tractor.

When I get the rig done I will post pictures. It is being built on a modified Carry All.

I would presume that a 12 volt cycle battery would work for you to power a spray rig for a few acres.
 
   / 3 pt Sprayer Advice #25  
Just another quick add-in:

1) I never spray fertilizers -- granular only

2) I use one 3PH PTO-powered sprayer for herbicides, pesticides, and fungicides

3) I Never mix any of the above treatments in a single tank (I don't care whether you can, I'm **** too)

4) I ALWAYs use Nutra-Sol (A Becker Underwood product) to flush my tank, pump, strainers, and hoses after a spray job. If I have been spraying 2-4D or Round-up. I leave the solution in the lines, strainers, and pump overnight, and flush clear, and remove and rinse all of the "soft" components before storage.

5) When you remove the pump in the winter, roll a little clean motor oil or RV anti-freeze into the rollers so it doesn't rust up.

Another point: I doubt you would benefit from the added cost of the silver-plate pump unless you were spraying Round Up or fertilizer in an ag application. Once you fit your roller pump, go ahead and buy the rebuild kit and put it in your workbench drawer in the shop. Keep your rig well-maintained and you might not ever need it.
 
   / 3 pt Sprayer Advice #26  
I should clarify my previous post.

What I meant to say was I will use the same tank for herbicides and pesticides but I clean the tank between uses so there are NEVER herbicides and pesticides in the tank at the same time.

Also, I don't believe in using herbicides or pesticides on food I grow, so the second tank for organic fertilizers is really a tank for organic products. I may use liquid fish meal solutions as fertilizers or I may use garlic "teas" as organic pesticides on food products, but that tank is dedicated to non-chemical products.

Rather than having multiple spray rigs, I simply designed one rig with twin tanks becuase it saves space in my garage to only have one implement.
 
   / 3 pt Sprayer Advice #27  
Agri-Supply sells 2 different types of spray cleaners. One is a neutralizer (#38159) and the other is a combo netrtalizer/cleaner (#38440). Not sure on the difference but I have used #38159 with success going from Round-up to Ortho.
 
   / 3 pt Sprayer Advice #28  
Mad . . . like I said, I am **** about some things.

If I grow food I won't even start the seeds in an enhanced seed starting mix let alone use something like Miricle Gro to boost the production. If I won't do that, there is no way I am going to use a tank, no matter who said it was cleaned and no what what it was cleaned with, that had any herbicides or pesticides in it on my veggies.
 
   / 3 pt Sprayer Advice #29  
I have the 55 gallon Femco sprayer. Pto pumps are much more repairable than the 12v pumps.

The Hypro 6500 in cast iron (CI) is a good pump. As many stated, you must remove it and flush it before extended storage. I added plastic cam-lock fittings to mine so it can be removed in seconds without tools. About $22 for all the fittings. Make sure a twig does not snag the cam lock and dump your tank.

The 6500 is also available in "silvercast" which is like stainless steel. I bought a new spare silvercast 6500 pump off ebay for about the same cost as a CI pump. (It took checking ebay each week for 1 1/2 years to find it.)

You can add a hand sprayer gun to your rig. I use mine for roundup and brush killer. Roundup patent expired and now generic roundup is available at the local co-op for $52 per 2.5 gallons instead of $43 per quart for name brand. Perhaps some of your buddies can use some and you can split it up. Label the bottle and copy the instructions.

Be careful with 2-4D. It can cost you a big chunk of what you are worth if drift kills a neighbors crops or a neighborhood of trees. I have a state pesticide license and much of the required training is about drift damage and legal consequence.
 
 

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