3038 hydro PROBLEM?

[Tarnold]

Cutting grass today with finish mower and way to heavy grapple on the front. Going down steep hill next to house and tractor started to slide. Was in two wheel drive. Grass not wet. Stood on the brake and would not stop. Right wheel going forward, left going backward! Yanked throttle back and got under control and stopped. Bucke led seat belt at this point! Made another round, and sure enough did it again, but ready for it this time(**** with that fool me once BS). Never could get it to do it again? Any ideas, other to wear seat belt all the time.

 

[whis]

take grapple off or put in 4wd. nothing wrong with your tractor

 

[Hill Farmer]

take grapple off or put in 4wd. nothing wrong with your tractor

This, and/or add weight to the rear tires.

 

[Tarnold]

This, and/or add weight to the rear tires.

OP here. Maybe didn't explain enough. I don't mow around the house in 4 wheel drive, tears the yard up too much. Tires are loaded. When the slide started, my foot was OFF the drive pedals but it was still driving forward under power but the full pressure on the brake would not stop it and as stated, tires were "driving" in opposite directions.

 

[DK35vince]

OP here. Maybe didn't explain enough. I don't mow around the house in 4 wheel drive, tears the yard up too much. Tires are loaded. When the slide started, my foot was OFF the drive pedals but it was still driving forward under power but the full pressure on the brake would not stop it and as stated, tires were "driving" in opposite directions.

Its still the same answer, take the grapple off or put it in 4 wheel drive.
There is nothing wrong with your tractor.
Everything you described is normal when the rear tires are slipping downhill

 

[whis]

rear end was to light ANY tractor with to light of rear end will do that

 

[vwnotrunning]

You could apply the differential lock while on the slope to help also. Weight on the front will lighten the back wheels. Tires would not be driving in opposite direction, but it may appear to be that way. Just how differentials operate.

 

[motownbrowne]

Yep, take the grapple off, and add a couple hundred pounds sitting on top of your finish mower if you don't want to use 4wd. Your brakes only affect the rears. If all your weight is on the front you'll coast unless you're in 4wd, in which case braking is transferred up front through the drivetrain.

 

[breadtrk]

My 3037 brakes are horrible.

 

[Hinomotoman]

My 3037 brakes are horrible.

So are the ones on my 3039.

Eugene

 

[charles todd]

I am going to agree with all those that stated, "too much weight forward while going downhill." What happened is normal. When you were going downhill, with weight forward, the rear got light. The opposite tire rotation was what an open diff does when you loose traction with both tires. Basically you were in an upset condition. I;m glad you regained control, that could have been nasty!

Solutions...

1. Remove grapple (remove weight not needed, improves weight transfer and reduces stress on loader/tractor)
2. Travel uphill, not downhill (weight transfer will be to your advantage, safer too)
3. Engage 4WD (always a good idea in steep terrain, especially if going downhill)
4. Use difflock (probably would not have helped, rear tires were off the ground)

Good luck and be safe!

CT

 

[super55]

Whenever I go mowing down a hill with my tractor first thing I always do is put it into low range. I have always found much better control of my tractors by letting the tires roll slowly and have my gears or hydro hold the tractor back from running away than I ever have had with using the brakes.

Hydros are a little more tricky getting the wheels to unlock in a slide than a gear. With gears you can just let the brakes off a second and get the tires to unlock and then reapply pressure. Sometimes with hydros you actually have to depress the pedal to get the wheels rolling again.

It feels completely contrary to what you would want to do when in an uncontrolled slide by depressing the pedal but having the wheels locked up gives you absolutely zero ability to steer out of your skid.

Run the hill without the grapple, In low gear and on dry grass and take it slow. Best case is always to run the tractor up the hill.

 

[GManBart]

Your tractor doesn't have brakes on the front wheels (almost none do). If you're in 2WD, and step on the brakes while going downhill, all that will happen is the rear tires will slide, and you've seen what the result is. Remove the grapple and you shouldn't have that problem next time.

 

[marcoot]

Same thing happens with my 3038H, slide while going down hills if I am in mid or high range. If I am in low range the tractor will stop and hold right in middle of steep grade without brakes just by taking foot of the fun peddle.

Gregg in Missouri