DK35vince
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Jim,
A dealer like that couldn't sell me a pair of socks if I was barefoot in the snow.
A dealer like that couldn't sell me a pair of socks if I was barefoot in the snow.
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( "Because it sounds like Kubota! They are not made as good as a Kubota. Kubota started the compact four wheel drive tractor market!")</font> Kioti sounds like Kubota? I need to have my ears checked, because I can't hear it that way. This guy will have to eat a lot of his words! Yes, they started the compact tractor market, and Kioti has improved upon it, as have many other manufacturers. Thanks for the post, John
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virgil
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Kioti sounds like Kubota... Sure it does. Kinda like cow and dog. Cain't you hear it? Say it real slow and listen real good now. The lawyers can hear it, ,,, try it again, I'm sure that you can hear it if you bear down and listen real good......
Dewave
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I named my dog "Kioti" and he comes everytime I call him. So today I tested it and called him "Kubota" Without hesitation he turned around and ran up the street and bit my neighbor... he owns a kubota BX. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
To20Chris
Platinum Member
What a jerk - I would never buy from him either! As far as the suit is concerned, Kubota did not make the first tractor, or the first orange tractor. They also did not invent the modern CUT from whole cloth one day either - that was a long evolution of several manufactures in several countries, driven by different agricultural and economic conditions than were found in the states. Kubota was simply the first of the Japanese tractor manufacturers to market their products in North America under their own name. Iseki, Yanmar, Mitsubishi, and others decided to partner with existing US manufacturer instead. Daedong claims to have made their first tractor 36 years ago, and if you look at what Kubota was making in 1968, I'll bet it was pretty crude, so I would say Daedong has been part of the evolution too.
A look at the grey market tractor websites will show you that all of the Asian CUTs have that boxy monster look, so I hardly think Kubota has any rights to it. In fact, Kioti has moved on to a much sleeker look than you'll find on any Kubota (CK series).
Actually, if you put a set of R4s on a MF 231S and look at its specs, you'll find that it compares pretty well with the larger 2WD CUTs produced recently, and that is a direct decedent of an old MF35, and my TO20. The darn thing has been in production almost 55yrs! At the time the Japanese manufacturers started making tractors I'm sure they were looking at units like the MF35, but probably needed something a bit smaller and cheaper, while at the same time the US brands were moving to bigger and more expensive units. Now their products have moved up into this size range.
As far as the color orange, I seem to remember another company that sold orange tractors.....Why didn't Kubota pick purple or pink when they started bringing tractors into NA? Kubota suing Daedong for using the color orange is as silly as if they sued them for using the 3PH that they & everyone else swiped from Ferguson.
Apparently some folks can't separate marketing hype from reality. Things said by corporate marketing guys and lawyers are not required to have any relationship with fact, they are said to make money, and if they happen to be true, that's just a happy coincidence!
Ok, I feel better now!
A look at the grey market tractor websites will show you that all of the Asian CUTs have that boxy monster look, so I hardly think Kubota has any rights to it. In fact, Kioti has moved on to a much sleeker look than you'll find on any Kubota (CK series).
Actually, if you put a set of R4s on a MF 231S and look at its specs, you'll find that it compares pretty well with the larger 2WD CUTs produced recently, and that is a direct decedent of an old MF35, and my TO20. The darn thing has been in production almost 55yrs! At the time the Japanese manufacturers started making tractors I'm sure they were looking at units like the MF35, but probably needed something a bit smaller and cheaper, while at the same time the US brands were moving to bigger and more expensive units. Now their products have moved up into this size range.
As far as the color orange, I seem to remember another company that sold orange tractors.....Why didn't Kubota pick purple or pink when they started bringing tractors into NA? Kubota suing Daedong for using the color orange is as silly as if they sued them for using the 3PH that they & everyone else swiped from Ferguson.
Apparently some folks can't separate marketing hype from reality. Things said by corporate marketing guys and lawyers are not required to have any relationship with fact, they are said to make money, and if they happen to be true, that's just a happy coincidence!
Ok, I feel better now!
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Jim_in_Omaha
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I got a response back from Buhler on my hydraulic wierdness with the bucket curling down. He said that the bucket curls down faster than the hydraulic flow into the cylinder side which causes a void or as they said air pocket. Then with the bucket stops moving for a moment is when the fluid catches back up and fills the cylinder side. I'm not a hydraulic expert. He mentioned to put the flow restrictor in the rod side to help prevent this. I have the one I took off the lift cylinders that I will try.
As far as the Kubota thing with that dealer goes, its nothing new under the sun. He probably thought that I was just a few bucks. One blade sale lost no big deal. I'll never own a Kubota not because of the tractor but because every time I see one I'll see his face and that poop eating grin as he slammed my tractor and tried to make me look bad in front of another customer.
thx
Jim
As far as the Kubota thing with that dealer goes, its nothing new under the sun. He probably thought that I was just a few bucks. One blade sale lost no big deal. I'll never own a Kubota not because of the tractor but because every time I see one I'll see his face and that poop eating grin as he slammed my tractor and tried to make me look bad in front of another customer.
thx
Jim
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Kubota did not make the first tractor, or the first orange tractor. They also did not invent the modern CUT from whole cloth one day either - that was a long evolution of several manufactures in several countries, driven by different agricultural and economic conditions than were found in the states. )</font> I have to agree, Kubota didn't really invent the CUT. The Ford 8N and others were not really what I'd call large utility tractors, they were much more compact. Kubota just made them more popular. The Japanese have a history of taking good form and making it better. They did it with cars, cameras and many other commodities. But with the lawsuit, I think they feel they will cause Kioti to make a few less sales as people will be afraid something will happen to the company. NOT. And you're right, most all the tractors look pretty much the same with the exception of the new Kioti and the NH boomers with their rounded down fronts, which looks pretty smart to me. John
TomK
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I think I'll paint a Denver Bronco helmet on my bucket to match the orange body. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif Love that blue and orange!