3520 Turbo Issues

   / 3520 Turbo Issues #21  
Bob,

I am the proud owner of an '06 3320, and I had the same concerns you articulate. I too thought I might best avoid the potential issues a turbo adds, and the idea of a significantly larger displacement was attractive. Now my tasks are using the 300cx FEL( highly recommended over the lighter duty unit), finish mowing ( I use the 60" belly mount 7 iron- considerably more agile than the 72"), powering a hydraulic Danuser post hole digger mounted to my bucket, and light wood chipping with a 4" Patu DC40 chipper.I think there is no advantage to the higher power with the FEL- hydraulic output is the same on all 3 series and I think mine is awesome. Same thing with any hydraulic power unit like the Danuser. If you need more hydraulic HP, you have to go t the 4xxx series- but they are much bigger and way, way louder. Any finish mower 6' or less does not demand more than a 3320 can push out- even up a hill.
The deciding factor tasks that need hp- one is high speed road work, like trying to hold high speed up hills if you drive it a distance for transport ( I slow down in C range noticeably on a steep grade, or for power hungry PTO attachments like a chipper. As to that, I was looking for a chipper to clean up tree branches and brush; every one told me I did not have enough hp for a 6" pto chipper even though the Vermeer trailer unit has a 25 hp engine, same as my 3320 pto hp. So I found a used 4" Patu ( I really prefer the horizontal feed design of the Finish chippers, liked the 6" Valby 140 except for the price) and I can tell you the 3320 machine does not even slow down a bit while the chipper feeds in the 3-4" limbs that are about the smallest thing I don't cut up for firewood.
That said, hey, if one has the bucks the 3720 is awesome and the difference in PTO hp is awesome, and you get significantly more torque at lower rpm than the non-turbos. You would be told no problem to run a 6" chipper or maybe a big bush hog or Harley rake or pull a blade at high speed.
Any way, I am totally satisfied and saved a big bunch of cash from the 3720.
I will mention two other points. First, if it matters, the 3320 is quiet- the big block sound is a bit different, a lower note from the turbo's I listened to at the dealer. When the machine is being run with the mid mount say 150' away, the mower deck is louder than the motor. My neighbor, our homes are only 80' apart, has told me he is amazed at how quiet the machine is. It does not seem this way operating it, but others have told me this too and for me keeping good relations with the neighbors is important. Also, if you look up the gals/hr fuel consumption published by Deere and Yanmar for the 4 engines and divide the by the HP output, you will find the 3320 is the most fuel efficient by a small amount; I am extremely pleased with the fuel efficiency of the tractor.
A long rant but I live my green machine!
 
   / 3520 Turbo Issues #22  
jcmseven said:
Bob,

The 3320 will do everything you want of it. If you are being 100 percent practical, there is really no need to go with the 3520. All the tasks you mention are well-served by a 3320. That said, my personal experience is that you would notice a pretty large difference in performance between the two machines. I have owned a 4310 (which is the predecessor of the 3320) which I sold and purchased a 3720. The difference in power between the machines is huge!!! While the 3520 is not so different, it still produces 10 lb. ft. more torque and likely will have a slightly broader torque range than the naturally-aspirated machine. I know that when pulling a box blade up some of my steep grades, the 4310 would slow down a bog some (even with LoadMatch ON) to the point it would lose momentum and traction. I would either have to lift the box blade or stop and back up, resuming with a smaller amount of material. When hauling a bucket full of rock, I would note that the 4310 would slow up the paved drive to my house from 9MPH or so to 4-5 MPH. My 3720 will run circles around the 4310 pulling a box blade, and will maintain 8-9 MPH hauling full buckets of rock, etc. Nothing really slows it down, even though it weighes roughly the same. This does not even speak to the increased attachment performance that would result from more PTO HP. While I nor most of the rest of us really have to have this extra power, if one can afford it, it is really nice, particularly if the terrain you work on is not flat. Where I live, one can really tell the difference immediately between a lower hp machine and a higher one, particularly in heavier compacts like these. If I were buying one, I would go turbo all the way, BUT where you live and with the tasks you mention, it simply might not be worth the money. My dealer says the 3520 is not a really good seller for him, as most people either go 3320 to get a nice reasonably powered mid frame, or they go full bore with a 3720. The best thing to do is to see if your dealer or another one would let you run each machine on your property to see if you can tell a difference. Most dealers would do this if you are planning seriously to buy a pricey piece of equipment such as this. Also, see if they would let you hook a BB or some other attachment to each machine to see if you can tell any difference. If not, go 3320. If so, maybe 3520 is the better choice. I think you will note a difference.

John M

Sounds like i might be in for it on the slopes of my property with the 4310?:confused: I have some slopes and in a case or two, I need to climb up the slope to mow. The other cases i can just go down the slope. I guess i will stay in using the A and B range, or get it turbocharged for real:cool:
 
   / 3520 Turbo Issues #23  
ddaacc said:
Bob,

I am the proud owner of an '06 3320, and I had the same concerns you articulate. I too thought I might best avoid the potential issues a turbo adds, and the idea of a significantly larger displacement was attractive. Now my tasks are using the 300cx FEL( highly recommended over the lighter duty unit), finish mowing ( I use the 60" belly mount 7 iron- considerably more agile than the 72"), powering a hydraulic Danuser post hole digger mounted to my bucket, and light wood chipping with a 4" Patu DC40 chipper.I think there is no advantage to the higher power with the FEL- hydraulic output is the same on all 3 series and I think mine is awesome. Same thing with any hydraulic power unit like the Danuser. If you need more hydraulic HP, you have to go t the 4xxx series- but they are much bigger and way, way louder. Any finish mower 6' or less does not demand more than a 3320 can push out- even up a hill.
The deciding factor tasks that need hp- one is high speed road work, like trying to hold high speed up hills if you drive it a distance for transport ( I slow down in C range noticeably on a steep grade, or for power hungry PTO attachments like a chipper. As to that, I was looking for a chipper to clean up tree branches and brush; every one told me I did not have enough hp for a 6" pto chipper even though the Vermeer trailer unit has a 25 hp engine, same as my 3320 pto hp. So I found a used 4" Patu ( I really prefer the horizontal feed design of the Finish chippers, liked the 6" Valby 140 except for the price) and I can tell you the 3320 machine does not even slow down a bit while the chipper feeds in the 3-4" limbs that are about the smallest thing I don't cut up for firewood.
That said, hey, if one has the bucks the 3720 is awesome and the difference in PTO hp is awesome, and you get significantly more torque at lower rpm than the non-turbos. You would be told no problem to run a 6" chipper or maybe a big bush hog or Harley rake or pull a blade at high speed.
Any way, I am totally satisfied and saved a big bunch of cash from the 3720.
I will mention two other points. First, if it matters, the 3320 is quiet- the big block sound is a bit different, a lower note from the turbo's I listened to at the dealer. When the machine is being run with the mid mount say 150' away, the mower deck is louder than the motor. My neighbor, our homes are only 80' apart, has told me he is amazed at how quiet the machine is. It does not seem this way operating it, but others have told me this too and for me keeping good relations with the neighbors is important. Also, if you look up the gals/hr fuel consumption published by Deere and Yanmar for the 4 engines and divide the by the HP output, you will find the 3320 is the most fuel efficient by a small amount; I am extremely pleased with the fuel efficiency of the tractor.
A long rant but I live my green machine!

The more i read these post, the more i am considering in the future, trading for a 3320!:eek: Sounds like a nice unit to get with a cab:D Well not for now, but maybe in the future when the bucks are again long.
 
   / 3520 Turbo Issues #24  
Nuru,

I do not wish to imply that your 4310 will not do the job. My main issue with mine was that I live in a very hilly place, with paved roads that can reach 20% in gradient. Unpaved trails, etc. can reach 30%. These hills are not knobs either, they are typically long hills that stay similarly steep throughout. For me, and with all the running I do on my tractor to the creek to pick up creek rock (nearly half mile away) and pulling heavy trailers up and down the road near my home, the 4310 just could not do it very fast. It never stalled and would pull any load my 3720 will, but it just took a while. I also became frustrated when I could feel the tractor slowing or bogging and adjusting the Loadmatch, the pedal or the throttle made no real difference. with the 3720, it makes a difference. There are very few people on the east coast that have these issues to the degree of mine, so most would not notice. (My county has the highest average elevation of any east of the Miss.) I would say the 4310 is one of the best, most durable and sought-after mid frames ever made by JD, and it should do fine for you. I could have gotten by with one also, but I really wanted to beat my neighbor in uphill drag racing. He has a 4320 and was cleaning my clock, until I got the 3720. Now, I am the reigning neighborhood champion, with a terminal speed of 18.2 mph!!!

John M
 
   / 3520 Turbo Issues #25  
jcmseven said:
Nuru,

I do not wish to imply that your 4310 will not do the job. My main issue with mine was that I live in a very hilly place, with paved roads that can reach 20% in gradient. Unpaved trails, etc. can reach 30%. These hills are not knobs either, they are typically long hills that stay similarly steep throughout. For me, and with all the running I do on my tractor to the creek to pick up creek rock (nearly half mile away) and pulling heavy trailers up and down the road near my home, the 4310 just could not do it very fast. It never stalled and would pull any load my 3720 will, but it just took a while. I also became frustrated when I could feel the tractor slowing or bogging and adjusting the Loadmatch, the pedal or the throttle made no real difference. with the 3720, it makes a difference. There are very few people on the east coast that have these issues to the degree of mine, so most would not notice. (My county has the highest average elevation of any east of the Miss.) I would say the 4310 is one of the best, most durable and sought-after mid frames ever made by JD, and it should do fine for you. I could have gotten by with one also, but I really wanted to beat my neighbor in uphill drag racing. He has a 4320 and was cleaning my clock, until I got the 3720. Now, I am the reigning neighborhood champion, with a terminal speed of 18.2 mph!!!

John M

jcmseven, oh, ok, I have one small nub about 30 feet long that is approximately 19 degrees in elevation, so I was concerned about that one, and one other spot. I am definitely thinking of doing something about those two spots. More dirt and leveling off in one case, the other might have to be fixed by a retaining wall and dirt removal.
 
   / 3520 Turbo Issues #26  
Well i got a bit greedy and pulled the trigger on the 3520 CAB after all my thoughts on the 3320, I went for the 3520. Proce ended up being about 1200 more, so I went for it. I figure that any noise will be suppressed by the CAB! Oh i can't wait for the AC and Heater, so I can try them out!:rolleyes:
 
   / 3520 Turbo Issues #27  
Nuru said:
Well i got a bit greedy and pulled the trigger on the 3520 CAB after all my thoughts on the 3320, I went for the 3520. Proce ended up being about 1200 more, so I went for it. I figure that any noise will be suppressed by the CAB! Oh i can't wait for the AC and Heater, so I can try them out!:rolleyes:

You are about to become a very happy tractor owner. I have 200 hrs on my 3520 Cab and would not trade it for anything. It will not even know you have a 19% grade on your property.
 
   / 3520 Turbo Issues #28  
GreenMtns said:
You are about to become a very happy tractor owner. I have 200 hrs on my 3520 Cab and would not trade it for anything. It will not even know you have a 19% grade on your property.
thanks GMTNs, I was gonna go Caroni flail, but I decided to try out the models offered by these guys

eBay Store - Betst Companies: Flail Mower, Backhoe, Wood Chipper

68" cut width for $975. I guess I really better watch the oil in this unit, or I will be back on the market to get another flail or a the new ONRamp 72" from JD.

Also since the difference in size of the engines is quite close between the 3320 and 3520, 1.6L/1.5L, i figured the turbo would be a fine choice. I also looked at the 3120's engine specs and I am guessing that it is the same engine as the 3520 without the turbo? The 3120 only lagged in torque on the 3320's engine by ~6lbs (3 in hp), whereas the 3520 had about 10 lbs on the 3320. The 3520's Deluxe Cab option costs a bit less than getting all those associated options put on the 3320 too.

I will be running my superturfs with the flail mower so I will have less to worry about as far as tipping on the slopes. Plus i am careful too!. I ordered the deluxe cab any tips you want to share about the 3520?
 
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