4 door diesel 4x4

buckle97 · Nov 16, 2004

I've had mine for three weeks now 

cowboydoc, did you get the six speed manual or the five speed auto? Just curious.

Lawrence

chucko · Nov 17, 2004

he has a 4x4 crew king ranch it is a 50k+- truck....Do you realy think he would spend that much and have to shift gears ? /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

cowboydoc · Nov 17, 2004

Lawrence,

I got the automatic. My wife won't drive the truck and trailer without the automatic. As much as the girls are rodeoing now she takes them to alot of them by herself. Before the torqshift I wouldn't even consider an automatic. I like the transmission but still prefer the 6 speed. Most of our ranch trucks we have 5 & 6 speeds in them.

Chuck,

The cost on mine out the door was right at $42k. We usually buy at well below invoice plus there are a couple rebates for being commercial use.

Dargo · Nov 17, 2004

cowboydoc, I have never heard anyone, even a Ford mechanic, say that the Powerstroke engine will last longer than the Cummins engine. I'm really a Ford fan, but I have to strongly disagree with that statement. The facts just do not back what you say at all. Just take a look on eBay or any other place selling used diesel pickups. You'll find dozens of Dodges with Cummins engines in them with well over 500,000 miles on them that state that they still run great. I've seen 3 with over 1 million miles on them that have run fine and have never been rebuilt. If you do a search on the Powerstroke engine, you begin to see "freshly rebuilt" engines in the ones for sale with over 200k on them.

The only issue is that the Powerstroke had more power from the factory than the Cummins did. However, with a little tinkering the Cummins can be turned up more and hold the power. Just go to a truck pull or diesel drag race. The Cummins diesel engines dominate there.

It was hard for me, but I bought the Cummins engine and got a Dodge truck that goes around it. On the dyno, my Cummins diesel put out 435hp and 1112 foot lbs. of torque at the rear wheels. And, it really didn't cost me that much to get that much power out of it. I know of hundreds of others who have "turned up" their Cummins engines like that and still have no durability problems. I often have heard debates about the power they can produce, but I've never heard anyone say that the Powerstroke will last longer than the Cummins. Again, I'm a Ford guy and I've heard the same from all of the Ford mechanics I know.

Just for a comparison, attached is a pic of the rods out of a Chevy, a Ford, and a Dodge. Look at the rods and tell me which would be stronger and last longer. The best thing Ford can do is to get the Cummins engines in their trucks since they own Cummins now.

buckle97 · Nov 17, 2004

Do you realy think he would spend that much and have to shift gears ? 

Personally, I always prefer a stick shift. But as cowboydoc stated, I also have a wife who won't drive a big truck without an automatic tranny. It is disappointing to me to see that Dodge has the only half ton extended cab truck available with a manual transmission. I really have no use for 3/4 or 1 ton trucks which have manual's available in many configurations.

Lawrence

RonL · Nov 17, 2004

Mike

Funny, I had two VW products in a row that were complete pieces of ****. I have a 1997 Ford F350 that I bought new that I expect to keep for another ten or fifteen years. The Ford has been as dependable as dirt. The VW's had one thing after another go wrong with them. And VW has the attitude: " Vee haff the superior product. You VILL be satisfied with zee automobile." I'm going to be looking at an extended cab F350 as my second car.

RonL

bontai_Joe · Nov 17, 2004

( I will take “Made in Japan” over any “100% good old american international and Ford"; Hence give me a Toyota truck over a Ford, Dodge, GM etc. American quality is slowly coming up to 1990 level of foreign auto’s. You do not see Ford or GM on the top of dependability. Even foreign light-weight trucks are gaining strength. )

My '91 Dakota that I bought new in Nov. of 1990 now has 250,000 miles on it and still runs well. Other than wear items, I've replaced the radiator, and a couple of shift sensors. Now I realize one truck does not make a statistical difference in who's truck is best, but getting 14 years and counting out of a truck ain't too shabby. If I was to buy a new one, I'd probably check out Dodge first.

gsxr1100 · Nov 17, 2004

I never stated VW since I have only heard bad things from there diesel owners.

gsxr1100 · Nov 17, 2004

I agree and sometimes owners are lucky; but, in ther last 15 years American quality is always behind Japan's. Is it right, no. We are smart people here in the USA but there is a disconnect in this industry somewhere.

My Powerstroke was in the dealer approx 11 times in four years for all sorts of tranny, glow plugs, sensors issues/problems.

My car has been in the shop only twice (2) in 2.8 years for a MAP sensor and EGR sensor. If Ford could build a truck only half as good as my car maybe I would think about a Ford.

If I had to buy another truck today, it would buy the Dodge for the cummins over the Ford Powerchoke, opps Powerstroke! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

eee · Nov 17, 2004

( My '91 Dakota that I bought new in Nov. of 1990 now has 250,000 miles on it and still runs well. Other than wear items, I've replaced the radiator, and a couple of shift sensors. Now I realize one truck does not make a statistical difference in who's truck is best, but getting 14 years and counting out of a truck ain't too shabby. If I was to buy a new one, I'd probably check out Dodge first. )

Japanese made vehicles are great...So aren't American made vehicles,the quality on the American made vehicles has come a long way in the last 20 years. I have seen the S-10 Chevys run for 200,000 miles (2.6 liter).
When I was a boy a 283 Chevrolet engine would need a ring job probably around 80,000 miles and those were good engines in their day. The vehicles today do not rust out like they did in the 70's . I remember seeing pickups 3 and 4 years old with bad rust back in the early 70's.
I think American made vehicles today are excellent.