40 Acres, Steep!, 1 Mile Road; Need Advice

   / 40 Acres, Steep!, 1 Mile Road; Need Advice #161  
Damper works as promoted.

It has engaged and disengaged portions.

I have mine engaged 100% of the time.
 
   / 40 Acres, Steep!, 1 Mile Road; Need Advice #162  
@Pugemasta- For some comparison on the Kioti pricing... I bought my RX7320 in May/June for $39,500 delivered. That's a 74HP cabbed machine with power shuttle, mechanical self-leveling loader, 2 rear remotes, a couple dealer installed options (additional mirror and block heater), and loaded rear tires. I can't recall if backhoe is an option on this tractor but the self-leveling loader certainly is. On that topic, my one complaint about that loader is I can't curl and lift at the same time. Granted the loader does some of that for you because it is self-leveling but there are times when I'd like to curl and lift or dump and drop at the same time and this loader doesn't let you do that. I don't know if that's ALL self-leveling loaders, simply because of their design, or if that's a limitation of the Kioti loader. For me, the loader is mostly for wet round bales so the self leveling is helpful but I didn't have any trouble with the non-self-leveling loader on our New Holland.
 
   / 40 Acres, Steep!, 1 Mile Road; Need Advice #163  
SNIP...WoolyAcres SNIP There's a lot pushing me away from used though, mainly I don't know enough to make a wise purchase and want something reliable. As motivating as saving money is, I think I would regret this decision.

I think that in your position I would be looking at new tractors too. The big advantage I see for you to be ooking at new is because doing that will give you a chance to compare the greatest number of comperable machines. In fact, I would advise you to look at Kubota too. Not because you are going to buy that more expensive brand of tractor - but because looking at the high end pricewise will give you an idea of where the top of the market is right now.... and to find out if the higher price buys anything of value to you.

Look, what I'm about to say about used tractors is mportant.... I don't know that I - or any of us on TBN - would agree with you that a new tractor is any more reliable than a used one. We might even go the other way. And here's why:

Based on 50 years experience and what I've followed on forums over the last 25 years it seems to me that new tractors and used tractors experience about the same amount of failures. True, they fail in differnt manners, but they seem to fail in roughly the same numbers.

Any tractors can break of course, but they don't tend to break simply because they are used. From a engineering viewpoint, one of the oddities of tractor design is that unlike almost everything else in the manufactured world, weight is an advantage in tractors. Take a moment and think of how rare that is.... for something to be designed where weight is an advantage. I think that whatever you come up with, you'll find that it is something that tends to last.

Because tractors are designed and built under the philosophy that "weight is good", tractors tend to be massively overbuilt relative to their speed and load. The whole rest of the manufactured world is oriented the other way round, and that is why in today's manufacturing world it is easy to overbuild tractors to where wear just isn't much of a factor.
Add to that the fact that tractor features change exceedingly slowly. Very little is new or novel in the tractor world. Not in the last 20 years for sure.
Unless abused, they just don't tend to wear much at all ....much less wear out.

In my opinion, used tractors wear or break because of abuse or lack of maintenance.... not from wear or age. By contrast, new tractors tend to break because of new model design errors, or human assembly mistakes, or parts that were substandard.

So with these things considered, I'd say the most reliable tractor out there is a well maintained used machine with a few hundred to a few thousand hours of average use on it. Not new, definitely not abused, properly maintained, and perhaps less than 20 years old.

In fact, I think that if you look at us on TBN you'll find that most of us currently own tractors that meet that description. Chalk me up with WoolyAcres on the advantages of used.

And it explains why used ones are so expensive and don't come on the market all that often. So I'd still advise you to look at new, but keep your mind and eyes open for something used but good. Dealers often have trade-ins with a few hundred hours that are a good compromise.
luck, rScotty
 
   / 40 Acres, Steep!, 1 Mile Road; Need Advice #164  
Thanks rScotty, another great, helpful post! For the initial purchase I am thinking: 3rd function, 3 remotes (if an option), no cab, HST, SSQA, TNT, backhoe w/hyd thumb and 24" bucket, back blade, LPGS, grapple, FEL, chains, r4s, possibly smaller diameter for lower CG and set as wide as possible, loaded tires. don't think I left anything off. Still not sure about a mid PTO, I don't ever see feeling comfortable spending 6-8k on a front snowblower if the back blade is safe and does a good job, but my thoughts may change after a bad winter and I'll regret not having the mid PTO. Still have not decided on loader bucket type, just haven't gotten to it yet I guess. Any insights on bucket types? Anything I left off?

Any thoughts on those specific models or series, feel free to let me know :thumbsup:

Minor changes is all. And maybe none. R4s are a good choice. Standard height R4 will be low enough. I wouldn't load tires to start - but most TBNers feel otherwise. It is on my list of "things that can be done later if needed". I prefer wheel weights.

I think that everyone in snow country sees the advantage to a front mounted snow blower. But they still aren't common or well worked out. Until they are, you might want to leave the experimenting to someone else.... unless you just like experimenting - some of us do...I do....

On the LPGS land plane, many people who use them successfully have relatively consistent soil type and granulation. If your ground has fist size and larger rocks then planing it is less useful. Unfortunately that goes for the back blade as well. If there is a real good answer for using a tractor to smooth dirt roads made of with the typical rock-infested disintegrated granite that passes for dirt in the colorado rockies then I haven't found it yet. All I've found out so far is what doesn't work on a relatively lightweight tractor...and scalping and ripping up rocks with a blade or box as the implement rides over rocks is a major problem.
So I'd try a land plane before buying one. Frankly I envy my friends who have sand and soil where a land plane is useful.

Smooth road work in rocky ground tends to lean toward things like bulldozers that can smear and crush. So far my best rear work has been with a heavy blade that is offset and with end caps. But rocks are still a problem. I always end up back-dragging the FEL bucket along with hand-picking up lots of rocks.

Regarding models of tractors.....How important is it to you to have a dealer close by? All of us are looking for a friendly dealer close by... Why are they so rare?
While you are looking, might as well look at the closest dealers as well as the ones far away. Tour the workshop area. You don't have to buy to look. I see that you are finding out what so many others have noticed....that for some reason there are a lot of tractor dealers who are not very interested in talking to customers. That makes one wonder why? Do you think they will change if you buy from them? (I doubt it) Maybe a dealer can chime in here. Has anyone asked their dealer that question?
rScotty
 
   / 40 Acres, Steep!, 1 Mile Road; Need Advice #165  
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I think that everyone in snow country sees the advantage to a front mounted snow blower. But they still aren't common or well worked out. Until they are, you might want to leave the experimenting to someone else.... unless you just like experimenting - some of us do...I do....

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They are common and well worked out on Toolcats, Versahandlers and Skid Steers that commercial snow removers use, but not farm tractors. Unfortunately they are over the budget of most homeowners. :(

I hope that I never have to go back to a tractor, but due to old age, we are looking at downsizing, so may have to. :thumbdown:
 
   / 40 Acres, Steep!, 1 Mile Road; Need Advice #166  
I just sketched up a conceptual model of self leveling, which should probably be called something more like "pitch maintaining".
I'll try to describe it here.

Draw a short vertical line, use that as one of the short sides of a parallelogram, complete the parallelogram with the long sides rising.
So far the sketch represents
1) a post at the rear of the loader frame, the first line drawn.
2) the rear half of the loader frame
3) a needed top rod/link parallel to that
4) a needed vertical post at the apex of the frame.

That completes the first part and provides a post (sitting on top of the loader frame at its apex) that will rise with the frame and stay vertical.

From that short vertical draw a similar parallelogram about the same size
This second parallelogram represents the linkages that the bucket cylinders attach to - and is short posts will both remain vertical regardless of the angles of either parallelogram.

4 rods, 8 joints and a couple of bracket plates - just need to select some material sizes for required strength and finalize the measurements.
 
   / 40 Acres, Steep!, 1 Mile Road; Need Advice #167  
good luck with your quest,
I can understand a lot of the desire for new.
But around here the farm economy is getting so bad that these deals are showing up frequently.
24 Case IH MXU11 - farm & garden - by owner - sale
This would be my choice for a mile long steep driveway.
 
   / 40 Acres, Steep!, 1 Mile Road; Need Advice
  • Thread Starter
#168  
If I had the time and money to maintain a fleet, toolcat would be on the list as my snow removal tool. Looks like a lot of fun.

rScotty, more great posts :thumbsup:. It is curious how those dealers stay in business with such service, maybe they don't actually do that well financially.

Thanks for your comments on LPGS and driveways such as mine. I will likely try before I buy based on your advice. Although, there is fair amount of gravel added to the road, so it may we'll work.

Thanks for the insights on cost. My hope in posting the prices I received is that they may help someone else in a similar situation.

I'm still pondering my choices, leaning towards TYM/Kioti as I seem to favor having a more dependable dealer. Looking hard at the Kioti NX series (NX5010). It's about 2,500 more than a comparable Branson and the un-discounted prices differ by 5k. I suppose how I finance will determine the true difference in cost.

Not a lot to report otherwise. Still working with the dealer getting questions answered and considering my options. Will let you all know if I have any updates or new questions.

Will keep an eye out for used, keep all options open for now.
 
   / 40 Acres, Steep!, 1 Mile Road; Need Advice #169  
If I had the time and money to maintain a fleet, toolcat would be on the list as my snow removal tool. Looks like a lot of fun.

rScotty, more great posts :thumbsup:. It is curious how those dealers stay in business with such service, maybe they don't actually do that well financially.

Thanks for your comments on LPGS and driveways such as mine. I will likely try before I buy based on your advice. Although, there is fair amount of gravel added to the road, so it may we'll work.

Thanks for the insights on cost. My hope in posting the prices I received is that they may help someone else in a similar situation.

I'm still pondering my choices, leaning towards TYM/Kioti as I seem to favor having a more dependable dealer. Looking hard at the Kioti NX series (NX5010). It's about 2,500 more than a comparable Branson and the un-discounted prices differ by 5k. I suppose how I finance will determine the true difference in cost.

Not a lot to report otherwise. Still working with the dealer getting questions answered and considering my options. Will let you all know if I have any updates or new questions.

Will keep an eye out for used, keep all options open for now.

I suspect you’re leaning towards the dealer across the border in ID? If so (and you like the TYM or Kioti ) you probably won’t go wrong.

I test drove both Kioti and TYM at the nearby ID dealer and would have bought there but just couldn’t get comfortable in either machine (although I was more comfortable in the TYM for some reason over the Kioti). They were both nice machines just not the right fit for me-dealer was outstanding.
 
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   / 40 Acres, Steep!, 1 Mile Road; Need Advice
  • Thread Starter
#170  
Hi GSVette, somehow I missed you were in Spokane as well, I love this part of the country. appreciate your insight!s I to dealers as well. Have you been happy with Cascade Tractor post purchase?

Been busy at work and other items with the property this week. Getting close to purchasing and the NX series is my choice at the moment. A touch more than I hoped to spend, but looks and sounds like the right choice, plus the Branson and others we discussed. As rScotty has pointed out, I don't think I will be unhappy with any choice and am still open to buy used if the right one pops up in the next week or two. Will keep you posted!
 

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