430 Broken Front Wheel Spindle

   / 430 Broken Front Wheel Spindle #11  
What was your final outcome? I am in a simular situation right now. I had my steering spindle break right at the same spot back in June. All I could find were used spindles on eBay. I bought a set and they lasted less than 10 hours of mowing. The same one broke again in the exact same spot. I do not understand why this is a weak point or what to do to make it stronger? I am a professional welder and could properly weld the spindle; however, I do not trust the structural integrity of the metal to keep from shearing again. Any ideas?
 
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Hello darrollr,

I guess I forgot to post about my final outcome. Our local John Deere dealer happen to have a spindle in stock. It was in the back in a cardboard box full of various parts. The spindle was the wrong diameter by a total of about 0.015 of an inch. I took the spindle to a machine shop to see if the fellow thought he could take the extra stock off. He had the part for about five days before he figured out a way to mount the spindle on a lathe to get the extra stock off of the end (that the wheel attaches to). It worked and I installed the new spindle in the tractor, but I didn't replace any bearings or bushings. The spindle seems fine so far.


All I could find were used spindles on eBay. I bought a set and they lasted less than 10 hours of mowing.

Geez! Really? That stinks.

This is what I suggest you try darrollr if the cost is not too high - which only you can determine. If you can not find a John Deere dealer that (just) might have one of these in stock - have one made. I say this because after talking on the phone to people at three or four local machine shops one gentleman stated that he may be able to fabricate one. He said (and it makes sense) that it would be much easier to machine a straight piece of metal stock then heat it and bend it into shape - than try to lathe a piece of metal that is already bent into shape. Of course the shop has to have all of the equipment (or have access to all of the equipment) to be able to machine it, bend it, heat treat it quench it, or whatever else may be required. When talking to the head of the parts department at out local JD dealership (while looking for bearings to fit) he could bring up very detailed drawings of individual parts with all of the dimensions listed (basically like a blueprint). Maybe you could have someone look up a blueprint of that part and print it out for you. You could then give it to a machinist, so he would have all of the correct dimensions for grooves, angles, metal type, diameters, etc. to make a new part and give you a rough cost to make it.

The machine shop that I actually went to had changed hands (ownership), but the fellow working there (the current owner) had been working there for years. In the they past had built an axel from scratch for an older larger (for farm use?) model John Deere tractor that parts were no longer available for. A JD service guy told me they had used that particular shop quite a few times (in the past) to make parts that were no longer available for other machines. So you may want to check into having a machine shop make you a spindle from scratch as an option. It can't hurt to check it out at least. The cost to get a new part built may not be too terribly expensive. Give it a try.


I do not understand why this is a weak point or what to do to make it stronger?

I don't know either. Of course I know very little about welding.


Just curious darrollr - how many hours does your 430 have (I am assuming you have a 430 or 420 mower/tractor)? How well does it travel along the ground in forward and in reverse? Does it jerk any when switching between forward and reverse. Since this issue with the front spindle has been resolved another issue is getting way to hard to deal with on the church tractor. I don't know if the hydrostatic pump is wore out, or the transmission is wore out on the mower I use, but I get jerked around so badly when changing directions - I feel like I am riding a bucking, jumping horse. I have mowed in low range the past few times to reduce the effects, but it is still bad. I don't feel near as safe using it as I have in the past. Granted this has been going on for (I am sorry to say) three summers now, but it is getting to be about unbearable. We got the (throttle/direction) linkage adjusted three years ago, but it started showing signs of getting back out of alignment after about 10 to 12 hours of use. We had the hydrostatic dampener changed out also, but I still could not see much of a change in its behavior. I do not have any idea what to do with it. The John Deere place said they could rebuild the pump/transmission for about $2,000+ or something like that (assuming the parts are still available). They charge $95 per hour for labor. :shocked::thumbdown: I have seen a place online that can (or could) rebuild the particular hydrostatic pump/transmission on the 430 - a Sunstrand 90. I just don't really know much about the hydrostatic pump or transmission or what to do, or even what needs fixing exactly. Do you have any hints or suggestions? I would appreciate any advice or tips you could share with me. Having the John Deere dealer work on the tractor is a near last resort, and buying a new mower is almost beyond being a last resort. I don't know what to do. The tractor has been used by probably 6 to 8 people through its 24 years (and 1,300 hours) of use at the church. Me and my dad have used it the most of anyone - almost half of the life of the machine. It is a good machine when in good working order, but right now it is very hard to use when it jerks so badly. My stomach muscles get sore from being jerked around so much. Well anyway. Any input is appreciated.
 

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   / 430 Broken Front Wheel Spindle #14  
I am going to try and weld this broken one to get me through the rest of this season. However, I found another forum thread that talks about building new spindles all together so I am planning on going that route.
 
   / 430 Broken Front Wheel Spindle #15  
I will now put together a reply that may lead you in the right direction for your jerky problem.
 
   / 430 Broken Front Wheel Spindle #16  
"Just curious darrollr - how many hours does your 430?"

Mine is a 1988 430 and it only has about 920 hours on it. I'm the second owner. I bought it from my wife's grandad who is well over 300lbs. However he was a slow cautious driver so it wasn't really abused as far as mechanicals go, the body was just wore down. All the fender deck bushings and even the deluxe seat suspension internal bushings were completely gone. I have completely rebuilt the seat suspension, replaced all the fender deck bushings, removed and repainted every part from the machine, etc. that list goes on and on so better stop there.


"How well does it travel along the ground in forward and in reverse Does it jerk any when switching between forward and reverse?"

It was very jerky moving between forward and reverse. It was even jerky just moving the hydrostatic control lever to go faster or slower. However, nothing as bad as what you are describing. Although, I have read about others describing what yours is doing.

After breaking my spine in two places two years ago, I have just been able to operate the machine this season. I completely rebuilt the deluxe seat suspension and put a new high back seat on it so that the ride would be more comfortable. Major difference! Then I started researching to find out how to make it smoother and decided to check the hydrostatic dampener. It was still the original dampener from the factory and it was shot. I replaced it (AM133368 Torsion Dampener Shock/Gas Operated Cylinder $67.56). I also followed protocol for the Neutral Return Linkage Adjustment and checked all of the parts for wear. Everything looked good and I didn't have to replace anything there. The machine was much smoother after that but I was not satisfied and wanted it to be an even smoother ride. (I suffer from severe chronic back pain due to nerve damage and a bad spinal fusion).

"We got the (throttle/direction) linkage adjusted three years ago, but it started showing signs of getting back out of alignment after about 10 to 12 hours of use. We had the hydrostatic dampener changed out also, but I still could not see much of a change in its behavior."

I imagine that you probably have some worn out bushings or parts in your linkage that need to be replaced. It also may not have had the friction disk adjusted properly for the hydrostatic control lever.

I then decided to upgrade to the (Optional) Hydrostatic Transmission Damper Control Kit AM116222 (477266 - 999000).
This kit of course is no longer available from John Deere but they do still sell most of the parts individually. In short, I think this may be what you need to fix your problem. Even if not, it sure beats the price of a hydro pump/tranny. Here is a link to the correct forum thread where you will find a plethora of information about this problem and how to cure it. If this is not the fix to your problem then at least you will be in the correct thread to get information for your fix.

Even a Rev 4 Hydraulic Linkages Can Go Bad - Page 5

I sure hope that this helps you!
 
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darrollr
Good information you provided.

Note: that you can edit your posts, if corrections are needed. Handy tool to be able to do that.
 
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However, I found another forum thread that talks about building new spindles all together so I am planning on going that route.

That is cool darrollr. I did not even think about doing a search for building a spindle. Good luck with your tractor, and thanks for the information kind sir. :)
 
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darrollr
Good information you provided.

Note: that you can edit your posts, if corrections are needed. Handy tool to be able to do that.

how do I edit a post? I have searched and I cannot figure out how.
 

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