4300 exhaust smoke

   / 4300 exhaust smoke #21  
Now I have a new problem , it looks like I have a bad head gasket.

What are the symptoms?

As for a rebore, 0.25mm is not much, and should clean up the wear for most running tractors. I do not
know how careful the rebuilder was, and most tractor repair shops do not rebuild engines. I seems obvious,
but you can not reuse headgaskets, for example.
 
   / 4300 exhaust smoke
  • Thread Starter
#22  
The rebuilder is a engine machine rebuild shop with a great reputation . The head gasket was new including the head bolts . I installed them though not the shop.
 
   / 4300 exhaust smoke #23  
Larboc mentioned in his 4300 project thread that his head gasket failed after rebuilding the engine. His head gasket was from an aftermarket rebuild kit. Where did you get your head gasket from?
 
   / 4300 exhaust smoke
  • Thread Starter
#24  
I bought mine from the same company he did. It might be a common denominator.
 
   / 4300 exhaust smoke #25  
Larboc mentioned in his 4300 project thread that his head gasket failed after rebuilding the engine. His head gasket was from an aftermarket rebuild kit. Where did you get your head gasket from?

It wasn't the head gaskets fault on mine. The JD part was identical to the maxiforce. It was a combination of two issues.
1) The block deck wasn't flat enough, the rebuilder didn't surface the block and the cylinders "liners" were low compared to the head bolt peninsulas. I redid it with the engine in the tractor with a big flat file.

2) Overadvanced SOI. My engine was billowing smoke and misfiring near wide open rpm. I now have no idea why it did this, possibly air in the line. At the time I thought it was injectors so I checked all of them with my homemade pop off tester but they seemed fine. I set the spillover fuel timing as outlined in the manual using the marks on the flywheel which required me turning the IP all the way to the stop. Smoke went away when I did this but noise went up. Headgasket failed about 5 hours later. After I did the new head gasket I put the IP back to where it was OEM and it never misfired again, blue smoke was much less than before. Looking back I should have known the noise was an indicator something was off but it had been so long since I'd heard it run I didn't remember what it sounded like!

I've seen diesels with blue smoke due to cam timing not being set right which is why I was so concerned about how those marks were aligned at the crank. I ended up pulling the front cover off just to check that I had done it right, pretty sure I did.

My suggestion, pull the head (must pull the fuel tank, uggh I know) and then surface the block with a good fine/dull flat file and continually check with a straight bar and feeler gauge till it's FLAT.
Put on a new head gasket and injector insulators (Cu washes will be fine to re-use but the insulators probably won't) and pop off test the injectors.

Did the engine seem louder after the rebuild? Does the rebuilder KNOW how they aligned the crank gear to the intermediate gear? Is the IP back where it was OEM?

Good luck. I've been EXACTLY where you are. Mine still smoked a little blue all summer until I changed the oil (deere break in oil for deere break in oil) and started working it harder moving sand and snow. Hasn't had any blue smoke since then but I've been working it harder. I tried to load it up as much as possible during the summer but the work I NEEDED to do didn't load it too much.



p.s. I outlined all of this in greater detail in my build thread.
 
   / 4300 exhaust smoke
  • Thread Starter
#26  
Did you coat the head gasket with anything
 
   / 4300 exhaust smoke #27  
When I put the new gasket in I sprayed the block, head, and both sides of the gasket with copper spray.
Did you put a straight edge with feeler gauges on your block deck yet?
 
   / 4300 exhaust smoke #28  
Burning oil at startup is usually a sign of bad valve stem gaskets. I assume they were replaced but what work was done to the head. When it sits the oil drips into the cylinders that was pooled on the top of the head. You can replace them with the head on and right tools but if the valve guides are worn then there may be no point.
 
   / 4300 exhaust smoke
  • Thread Starter
#29  
I have not torn it down yet, I have been hoping to find someone local to work on it. As far as the valve seals they were supposedly replaced when the head was rebuilt but I might replace them again when I have it apart.
 
   / 4300 exhaust smoke #30  
As a rule black smoke is fuel, blue smoke is oil and white smoke is water or antifreeze.

That's true for gas engines, but not for diesels. A diesel that's burning crankcase oil past the rings will usually not make blue smoke, the oil gets burned at the same time the fuel does. If you have blue smoke from a non-turbo diesel, it's typically from partially burned fuel from an injector issue.

White can be uncombusted fuel or a coolant leak.

Black is over fueling for the amount of air and typically not a problem on a diesel.

FWIW my 4300 makes absolutely no smoke now when running, except a little puff of black when I stab the throttle or really load it.
 

Tractor & Equipment Auctions

2009 Chevrolet Traverse LS SUV (A51694)
2009 Chevrolet...
2010 Ford Edge SE SUV (A51694)
2010 Ford Edge SE...
JOHN DEERE 648R LOT NUMBER 108 (A53084)
JOHN DEERE 648R...
2016 Chevrolet Impala Limited Sedan (A51694)
2016 Chevrolet...
John Deere WG48A 48in Walk-Behind Mower (A51691)
John Deere WG48A...
2016 Ford F-550 4x4 12FT Landscape Dump Truck (A51692)
2016 Ford F-550...
 
Top