Price Check 4520 Price Quote

[HobbleCreek]

I think I am leaning towards getting the Kubota L5030, but I'm still looking hard at the JD 4520. I have the following price quote from my local dealer:

4520 w/ dual mid and single rear SCV: $25,109
400X Loader (w/ mounting, etc.): $4,101

Total: $29,210

Is this price in the right range? It is about $3K more than the Kubota L5030, but that's not the major consideration. I just have a better "feeling" about the Kubota. I don't know why, because I went into this thing fullying intending to buy Green (Grandpa had a JD and two MFs, and I thought I'd probably buy one of those brands). Anyway, if the price on the Deere is in the right range, it's really still in the running -- I just can't quite decide, so in addition to any input on the price I'd really appreciate any feedback on the comparison between these two models.

Thanks tons.

-- Grant

 

[jcmseven]

Grant,

I think that price is a bit high. The invoice on the tractor is about 22,000 as of two months ago, when I bought mine. You can figure off that to allow your dealer to make some money, and also get a good deal. The loader price seems fairly close to what I paid, though. The 4520 is a really nice tractor (and strong too). May I ask why you feel better about the Kubota? I concur, Kubota makes a nice tractor, but I think the mid and large frame JD compacts are tough to beat.

John M

 

[Kyle_in_Tex]

I remember almost a year ago my dealer quoted me the range on the 4X20 series. Quoted with R4's, hydro and FEL.
4120=$24,700
4720=$27,400

This is when they 1st came out and I don't know how much more it would be today. I'd say your dealer, because of locale, doesn't plan on dealing too much. Can you shop a bit further away? Do you have the means to trailer a new machine home?

 

[HobbleCreek]

Kyle,

I think you're right about my dealer. They are the exclusive Deere ag dealer for the whole state, and parts of Idaho. They have locations all up and down the I-15 corridor. I could trailer a tractor home if necessary, in fact I looked at a similar setup that was on the 'net, used with 100 hrs, for $25,900. I'm thinking, though, that I'd rather have new, deal with my local dealer, and not drive halfway across the country (it's in KY) for $3K.


Though I'd rather deal locally if possible, I'd have to look really hard at the 4720 if I could get it, with Loader, for $27,400 (and reasonably close). My dealer's quote on that machine w/ R4s and Dual mid and single rear SCV was $27,306 for the tractor, plus the same $4,101 for the loader.

I would definitely try to deal a bit with the dealer if it meant saving $4 grand.

-- Grant

 

[HobbleCreek]

John,

I was hoping you'd chime in on this because I noticed that you recently bought the 4520. It may be that I'm more comfortable with the Kubota dealer, who is giving me a more competitive price.

I do like the cruise control on the Kubota. It's a lever on the side that I can adjust with my hand as opposed to Deere' little switch on fender (unless I'm missing something there).

It may be that I have a little more confidence in Kubota's japanese built engine as opposed to Deere's India made machine. If nothing else, Kubota's factory has been making their engines for many years while Deere's move to India is relatively recent as I understand it.

A concern I have about Deere's eHydro is that when I use the product selector on their website, it automatically eliminates the eHydro tractors if I answer that the tractor will be used in hay production. Although that will not be my primary task, it is something I may do and I've had reports that the 5030 has been used successfully in that application.

I really hate making decisions like this, because it's so hard to do a real comparison. Maybe I'll go down to the two dealers today and see if they'll let me put a box scraper on them both and do a little work and see which one I like the best.

Thanks for responding.

-- Grant

 

[HobbleCreek]

John,

One other thing about the Kubota vs. Deere -- the Kubota has a Cat I/II 3PH. As near as I can tell, even the larger 4520 and 4720 have only a Cat I hitch. I don't know why that is, do you (or anyone else)?

As I've checked further, I see that I could get a Woods backhoe that will actually dig 10'6" but requires 50HP. I don't know if that's PTO or engine HP. If it's PTO, then that would move the 4720 up on my list.

-- Grant

 

[bam747]

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The Deere cruise control works like a car. Set the speed with the eHydro foot peddle, then lock that speed by engaging the speed control switch.

As an option (approximately $90), you can add full automotive style cruise control with accelerate, decelerate, and resume functions. The resume function is particularly handy when you've made a temporary change in speed due to field conditions and then want to resume your previous speed.

 

[bam747]

I see by your profile that you are located in Utah. If you live at significant altitude, be aware that naturally aspirated motors will loose approximately 3%/1000' of elevation (a generally accepted rule of thumb for ALL naturally aspirated motors). Turbocharged motors do not.

At my 7500' altitude in Colorado, that means the rated 42.5 PTO HP of the 5030 will effectively be only 32.9 PTO HP whereas the rated 45 PTO HP of the 4520 will still be 45 HP.

If you look at it this way, the 35 PTO HP 4120 (also turbocharged) would actually give me more effective HP at my altitude than the 5030.

Something to consider if you live at altitude.

 

[HobbleCreek]

That's something I had not thought about. I am at a little under 6000 feet, though some of my work will be at a higher elevation.

 

[bam747]

So, at 6000 feet, the 4120 at a turbocharged 35 PTO HP is pretty much equivalent to the 5030 at its 18% de-rated 34.9 PTO HP. Since the 4120 will be about $3,400 less than a 4520 (based on retail base prices for eHydro machines from the JD online configurator), but equivalent in every other way, it does take away the 5030's price advantage if you maintain a true apples to apples comparison on HP ratings considering your altitude.

As more food for thought, taking altitude into consideration...

The Deere 3720 is also turbocharged and rated at 35 PTO HP. It is a smaller frame than the 4x20 series and has a smaller loader.

BTW, if you're requirements for PTO HP are the 42.5 HP stated for the 5030 at sea level, you'd have to buy a minimum of 50 naturally aspirated PTO HP for your 6000'.