4-in-1 4in1??

[horsnaround]

Hi,

My wife and I are closing on a piece of property tomorrow. We will be renting a trackloader to clear some of the propery. (9 year old-less than 6inch pines and brush) My question is for the clean up that I can't get done with the trackloader, would I be better to get a 4 -in-1 bucket or some other type of attachment? Oh and by the way, close on the land at 9AM, at the tractor dealer by 1100Am to buy our (MINE) first TRACTOR!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Thanks for any and all info!

 

[kennyd]

Do a search here for "millonzi" and you will have all the info you need

Congrats on the new property and tractor.

 

[alchemysa]

would I be better to get a 4 -in-1 bucket or some other type of attachment?

You can't pick up brush, branches, or large trash with an ordinary bucket anyway, so you'll need either a 4in1 or grapple. A grapple will pick up brush and branches more efficiently than a 4in1 but after the initial big cleanup may be of limited use.

So my answer is Absolutely yes!.. get a 4in1. Its the most useful attachment you will own and worth every cent. You will use it just about every time you start the tractor. (Just look at how many pro tractors and bobcats you see with 4in1's. Those guys know something).

 

[MarkV]

Hi,

My wife and I are closing on a piece of property tomorrow. We will be renting a trackloader to clear some of the propery. (9 year old-less than 6inch pines and brush) My question is for the clean up that I can't get done with the trackloader, would I be better to get a 4 -in-1 bucket or some other type of attachment? Oh and by the way, close on the land at 9AM, at the tractor dealer by 1100Am to buy our (MINE) first TRACTOR!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Thanks for any and all info!

Welcome to the forum and congratulations on the land and tractor. If brush clearing is your main task a grapple maybe the way to go. For multi purpose use I like the 4 in 1 bucket. Either will require you to add additional hydraulics to the loader to operate it.

Not knowing what size tractor you are looking at a big consideration, in my opinion, is the capacity of the loader. Either a grapple or 4in1 bucket will normally weigh several hundred pounds more than the stock bucket. With a loader that has say 800 to 1K lbs of lift you could lose 25% of your capacity. Depends on your needs but for me that would be too much capacity to lose.

MarkV

 

[alchemysa]

Either a grapple or 4in1 bucket will normally weigh several hundred pounds more than the stock bucket. With a loader that has say 800 to 1K lbs of lift you could lose 25% of your capacity. Depends on your needs but for me that would be too much capacity to lose.

MarkV

I suspect the loss of capacity issue is over-rated. I've got a small 20 year old tractor with a heavy 4in1 on the end of just a LA300 loader. And all my hydraulics are well and truly 'worn'. But I can still lift a full bucket of dirt or concrete rubble. Admittedly I have to back a few inches out of the dirt pile to give the 'breakout' a little bit of help but, as I said, its a 'little' tractor. I really can't imagine that a bigger tractor is gonna suffer much at all from the extra weight of a 4in1

Theres no way i would go back to an ordinary bucket unless I was moving dirt or sand full time and could justify a dedicated bigger volume bucket.

 

[Redbug]

I use my 4in1 to do a lot of pushing type of thing. They have another blade/cutting edge on the opened up portion which makes it very useful. A 4in1 in my opinion is worth the money.

 

[horsnaround]

All,

Thanks for the input. I was pretty much decided on a 4 in 1, but had other thoughts regarding a grapple. But after all the good info here I did decide on a 4-in-1!

Thanks!!!!

 

[alchemysa]

All,

Thanks for the input. I was pretty much decided on a 4 in 1, but had other thoughts regarding a grapple. But after all the good info here I did decide on a 4-in-1!

Thanks!!!!

Great. I hope you'll get back and tell us what you think of it. Theres not enough 4in1 owners around to enjoy a gloat with!

 

[Redbug]

Hey...I resemble that goat...er gloat!

 

[alchemysa]

If youve got a 4in1 you will probably want some extra weight on the back end to give you traction. (But that usual with most tractors anyway). I've got a backhoe for ballast but theres a number of cheaper ways of putting some 'lead in the saddle'.. weight boxes, filled tyres, wheel weights, concrete filled drums etc. Its a favourite topic on TBN so you'll find plenty of advice.

 

[Redbug]

You're right about that. My bucket with toothbar weighs a little over 600 pounds. I have wheel weights on the rears and usually use my box blade with railroad iron added on. It weighs around 800 pounds.

There are several makers of 4in1's. I have a WR Long. Just recently got a WR Long grapple, too.

 

[DreaminGreen]

Horsnaround you wont regret it...it will be money well spent. They sure do make life easier when your working alone!

 

[alchemysa]

Horsnaround you wont regret it...it will be money well spent. They sure do make life easier when your working alone!

Dreamingreen.

I like those teeth on the side of your bucket and that curved edge. That must make picking up stuff easy. Mine doesn't have that although i could add something like it easy eanough. What brand 4in1 is that?

 

[DreaminGreen]

Dreamingreen.

I like those teeth on the side of your bucket and that curved edge. That must make picking up stuff easy. Mine doesn't have that although i could add something like it easy eanough. What brand 4in1 is that?

The bucket is from Frontier. I have not used it much as of yet, I got it at the begining of winter. I can't wait to realy put it through its paces, I am curious how a 4in1 would be with a smooth edge...gripping logs and such?

 

[alchemysa]

, I am curious how a 4in1 would be with a smooth edge...gripping logs and such?

It works OK. I can pick up 6 -12'' logs. Brute force holds them in place and most of have branches attached anyway which helps to keep them in place. But it would work a lot better with side teeth. I've gotta add them!

 

[MarkV]

All,

Thanks for the input. I was pretty much decided on a 4 in 1, but had other thoughts regarding a grapple. But after all the good info here I did decide on a 4-in-1!

Thanks!!!!

So what tractor did you buy and if you don't know we like photo's.

MarkV

 

[horsnaround]

Mark V,

I just purchased a Kubota L4400 HST. Once I go and pick it up I will DEFINATELY post pics.

FYI... I ordered the 4in1!!!!!!!

 

[Redbug]

Horse,

What brand of 4in1 did you order? Are you getting a toothbar with it? Are you going with the Kubota valve or other brand valve to operate it...or operate it off a remote?
What else with the tractor? Any other attachments? We neeeeed toooooo know!!

 

[dfkrug]

It works OK. I can pick up 6 -12'' logs. Brute force holds them in place and most of have branches attached anyway which helps to keep them in place. But it would work a lot better with side teeth. I've gotta add them!

I see a lot of the 4n1s for CUTs have one tooth on each side for that
purpose. That green one has lots of teeth I see. Nice.

Do you guys with 4n1s have an electric diverter valve or a front mount
auxiliary independent spool valve?

I am still "playing" with the 4n1 on my recently-acquired B21 and I can
see that you can be more effective picking up loads of dirt or whatever
on pavement by simultaneously operating the bkt close function at the
same time as the bkt curl function. I watched a guy I hired do that
with his 580 and it was impressive what he could do.

 

[alchemysa]

IDo you guys with 4n1s have an electric diverter valve or a front mount auxiliary independent spool valve?

I have a completely separate lever and valve mounted on top of the loader valve block.

[/QUOTE] I am still "playing" with the 4n1 on my recently-acquired B21 and I cansee that you can be more effective picking up loads of dirt or whatever
on pavement by simultaneously operating the bkt close function at the
same time as the bkt curl function. I watched a guy I hired do that
with his 580 and it was impressive what he could do.[/QUOTE]

Thats good when it works but frustrating when it doesn't. Amateurs like me need the right sorta dirt and timing for that. If the clam comes down and hits a lump of rock you can find that everything drops out the bottom when you lift the bucket and you've got nothing but a rock to show for your effort. But professionals doing it all day would be able to do what you describe in just about any conditions. I guess you were referring to a Case, but I'd love to try a bobcat one day. The visibility (being able to see the front of the bucket) must improve efficiency no end when using the method you describe.