You'd have to pick me up off the floor if you said the dealer said they weren't as strong as the older ones... /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif Maybe someone with a lot more tractor experience than me could tell us if loader arms ever break? My point is do we come close to stressing these members with the type of loading we typically do.
4x30 Series Rumors?
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I guess I'm not surprised Mike - it's just the same old thing... Like buying a car - I hate to buy a car and then find out it's the last year for it and they are coming out with something totally new next model year. I start to get that "what if I waited" twinge. Not to worry though - I console myself by realizing the amount of work I've already done - that wouldn't have been done if I'd waited! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Besides... this is America - If I want a new one it's only a trade-in away!
Besides... this is America - If I want a new one it's only a trade-in away!
rockyridgefarm
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<font color="green"> Besides... this is America - If I want a new one it's only a trade-in away! </font>
Kinda what I meant by "rental" Maybe they have something in stock that;d work till summer, with the idea it'd be traded in on either the 4710 or 4720...
Kinda what I meant by "rental" Maybe they have something in stock that;d work till summer, with the idea it'd be traded in on either the 4710 or 4720...
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I certainly picked everyone's brains here long enough and like Kevin was planning to actually buy later this year - mid-late summer if possible. Prime candiate is/was a 4710 reverser.
In a cup-half-empty sort of day - I just hope that if there is 'new and improved' it actually is. Regardless of the category of product, 99 times out of a hundred when some long-time well-thought-of product gets 'improved' by the mfg. I find myself hoping I can find one of the old models before they're gone.
Making the most popular options standard? What is optional now that could take away a legitimate choice?
2 wheel drive? - probably not a biggie for most buyers - but note that the MFWD axle on these CUTS is (unlike bigger utility tractors) not particularly adjustable in track. The 2wd axles are. Might effect someone needing to do small-scale row crop work.
Transmissions? - if they make hydro standard I'll be buying elsewhere for my needs - but I doubt they'd drop reversers all together. We did lose a creeper option last time with the '10' series.
3rd SCV standard? That might be a plus if it knocks a few bucks off today's option price.
There are some minor options that it wouldn't hurt to make standard - extendable links, block heaters, work lights, the bigger altenator and the like.
I hope there are real improvements without downside but hope no one minds if I start looking to see who has a 4710 reverser on the lot just in case. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
Tim
In a cup-half-empty sort of day - I just hope that if there is 'new and improved' it actually is. Regardless of the category of product, 99 times out of a hundred when some long-time well-thought-of product gets 'improved' by the mfg. I find myself hoping I can find one of the old models before they're gone.
Making the most popular options standard? What is optional now that could take away a legitimate choice?
2 wheel drive? - probably not a biggie for most buyers - but note that the MFWD axle on these CUTS is (unlike bigger utility tractors) not particularly adjustable in track. The 2wd axles are. Might effect someone needing to do small-scale row crop work.
Transmissions? - if they make hydro standard I'll be buying elsewhere for my needs - but I doubt they'd drop reversers all together. We did lose a creeper option last time with the '10' series.
3rd SCV standard? That might be a plus if it knocks a few bucks off today's option price.
There are some minor options that it wouldn't hurt to make standard - extendable links, block heaters, work lights, the bigger altenator and the like.
I hope there are real improvements without downside but hope no one minds if I start looking to see who has a 4710 reverser on the lot just in case. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
Tim
rockyridgefarm
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Look for 2WD and base gear transmissions to go away (they are already gone...) reversers and hst stay.
Look for less models. (4025, 4420, 4720 are my guesses...)
Look for 3rd scv and power beyond as std. equipment.
Better lighting and visibility.
Creeper IS available on eHydros.
<font color="green"> hope no one minds if I start looking to see who has a 4710 reverser on the lot just in case </font>
No, that's always a good idea... (I know where one is... /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif)
Look for less models. (4025, 4420, 4720 are my guesses...)
Look for 3rd scv and power beyond as std. equipment.
Better lighting and visibility.
Creeper IS available on eHydros.
<font color="green"> hope no one minds if I start looking to see who has a 4710 reverser on the lot just in case </font>
No, that's always a good idea... (I know where one is... /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif)
rockyridgefarm
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I just realiized that looking at the current lineup, just drop the bottem two models from each class and that is the setup you'd have.
Both the 4710 and 4410 are only available as 4WD and don't have SyncShift as an option.
Both the 4710 and 4410 are only available as 4WD and don't have SyncShift as an option.
Kevin37
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Talking to the wife last night, we discuss how nothing is getting done at the property. ( NO tractor /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif) She says "You know what you want so get the paperwork started tomorrow". I figure today I'll shoot the two e-mails to the dealers I have been talking to and follow up with phone calls and appointments, if necessary. Can't get the day going without checking TBN and sure enough, there's the discussion about the "New & Improved". Oh well. After reading some of your responses, I'll call the dealers anyway and get their take on what's in store for late Summer. After thinking about it, I don't think I'll change from the plan I had last night. There's no way I would regret owning a 4710. I know I'm gettin' close cause I'm gettin' nervous!
Kevin
Disclaimer: The above decision is subject to change based on any pictures, details, and the intensity of the "OOh's and AAH's when I visit the dealer.
Kevin
Disclaimer: The above decision is subject to change based on any pictures, details, and the intensity of the "OOh's and AAH's when I visit the dealer.
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<font color="blue">You'd have to pick me up off the floor if you said the dealer said they weren't as strong as the older ones... </font>
Steve:
The NH 7308 Loader was rated to lift 875 lbs @ the pivot pin. The New 14LA curved arm loader (the 7308's replacement) is rated to lift 1256 lbs. @ the pivot pin. What do ya think?
Don
Steve:
The NH 7308 Loader was rated to lift 875 lbs @ the pivot pin. The New 14LA curved arm loader (the 7308's replacement) is rated to lift 1256 lbs. @ the pivot pin. What do ya think?
Don
rockyridgefarm
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Good plan!
Well what I meant was coming from my background (a long time ago) in the car business. I don't imagine ANY dealer would ever say that their new product was not superior to the old one in every way - I't hard to impart sarcasm here - but I'd laugh if he had said "yep - these new loader arms sure are pretty, not as strong as the old ones... but who cares.. just look at em".
Regarding my other question - If the lift limit is 1200lbs, I'd think they probably engineer the loader arms to take a lot more stress than that - just to be safe, so no matter what arm style, I'm guessing it's more a limit of hyrdraulics than loader arm strength that puts the limit where it is.
Take care,
Regarding my other question - If the lift limit is 1200lbs, I'd think they probably engineer the loader arms to take a lot more stress than that - just to be safe, so no matter what arm style, I'm guessing it's more a limit of hyrdraulics than loader arm strength that puts the limit where it is.
Take care,