4x4 Question

   / 4x4 Question
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#31  
Wow, lots of response, sounds like alot of friction between opinions. Sorry for that, Cant we all get along? Kidding. Thank you for all the info. I don't have any pavement, but I think I will start to switch between 2wd and 4wd a bit. Like I said, I have most hilled areas and lots of clay, but I think it would be good to switch it up a bit.
 
   / 4x4 Question #32  
BillyP said:
I don't understand what all this bickering is about :confused:

If you "need" your tractor in 4WD all the time then leave it there. No one ever said any different.

Its not bickering, its hard headed tractor people talking about tractors. ;-)

Seriously though, this is not exactly what has been said here. There is the idea that the front drive train is a weak link that is not made to last as long as the rest of the tractor components. If this is true, then leaving it in 4wd all the time, whether you need it or not, is tempting failure of a system not designed for constant use.

That's the part that I have a hard time with. If that is true, then anyone who thinks they need 4wd all or even most of the time, is asking for trouble and has possibly purchased the wrong type of machine.

I suspect that all the people who have made this claim have way more tractor experience than me, especially with 4wd ones (naturally). But when I went to research and buy this tractor no one said at the dealership that the 4wd system was somehow less durable than all the rest of the tractor. The manual does not suggest limiting its use in any way, in fact, it may not even say anything about pavement.

Bottom line is that some cold hard facts would clear this right up. I'm not arguing with the use it when you need it philosophy, I'm concerned with the weak link idea.
 
   / 4x4 Question #33  
I have never hear of anyone ever having tractor problems from using their 4X4 capability. I personally avoid "roading" the tractor in 4X4. Don't know if it matters as much as with my truck but don't need 4X4 on pavement when transiting from a to b. If traction is bad enough to recommend 4X4, such as in winter, then there is enough slippage to avoid stressing the mechanicals.

I find that sharp turns in 4X4 tends to tear up the surface you are manuvering on way more than in 4X2 so if that is an issue (on a putting green or whatever.) Where it matters that you tread lightly, consider 4X2 unless you really need to put some HP to the ground.

Anyone here really think it neccessary to constantly be shifting in and out of 4X4, in just when really needed and out when not? My tractor maint guy (damned good mech) and the Kubota manuals don't think there is a problem with the way I do it. I'd be more concerned with the wear caused by constantly shifting in and out than using it.

Of course if the subject tractor is some off brand light duty looks sort of like a tractor that has something that kinda acts like 4X4 then there are probably several other concerns about robustness as severe in nature as the 4X4 issue. If I were afraid that my tradctor was about to self destruct at any time just doing what it was designed to do, I'd be looking for another tractor that didn't need diapers and a nanny to change them.

Most CUT can do in 4X4 the work that a 4X2 tractor needs about 50% more HP to perform (generalization/rule of thumb recommended to me by several sources.) Said another way you can get by with a smaller less powerful tractor if it has 4X4. If you use your tractor to anywhere near its capacity you will be hampered by wheel slipage much more if you run in 4X2.

I personally find having to stop to shift gear ranges on my hydrostat to be a pain, yet transiting from the bucket filling location to the dirt using location would be painfully slow in mid or low range which is used to fill the bucket. It makes sense to me to shift to the gear best fitted to the work and suggest that this IS NOT the same thing as 4X2 vs 4X4.

I need 4X4 to fill the bucket nicely much of the time but could manage to drive from a to b (some of the time) in 4X2, and might, if someone could offer a good rationale as to why switching back and forth is sufficiently advantageous. I see no evidence offered from factory manuals, factory reps, or maint mechs. (Kubota, I haven't a clue about other brands but have heard rumors that there are other robust brands as well.)

We all have our opinions, justified and backed by fact, experience, informed sources, or perhaps just some personal idea we happen to like with nothing to back it up but a restatement of our personal whim. I prefer taking guidance from the former not the latter. Still, I try to keep an open mind and would love to be shown the true path if anyone could cite some sources. If I'm living in a fool's paradise I'd rather be straightened out than erroneously operate in a destructive or non productive manner.

Pat
 
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   / 4x4 Question #34  
I probably shouldn't even say anything because I'm such a tractor rookie, but because I'm such a rookie I've been reading my owners manual quite a bit. In fact, Shirley laughs at me because it's become bedside reading material for me. :eek: For my 3510 Mahindra, the manual says that it is most/more efficient in 4wd. For the record, I have very little flat land. I just keep mine in 4wd all the time now (I wouldn't do that on pavement..).
 
   / 4x4 Question #35  
patrick_g said:
Anyone here really think it neccessary to constantly be shifting in and out of 4X4, in just when really needed and out when not? My tractor maint guy (damned good mech) and the Kubota manuals don't think there is a problem with the way I do it. I'd be more conceerned with the wear caused by constantly shifting in and out than using it Pat

I'd say if you were having to shift in and out of 4WD constantly, to leave it in 4WD. Ain't know need in wearing out a good shifter. But that ain't what's been said here :p
 
   / 4x4 Question #36  
You guy's-n-gal's must be really bored, you just argued this subject a few weeks ago.
 
   / 4x4 Question #37  
neverenough said:
You guy's-n-gal's must be really bored, you just argued this subject a few weeks ago.
Yeah but you have to consider, for some people, it's never enough ;)
 
   / 4x4 Question #38  
Another newbie/inexperienced comment here, so take it for what its worth. If you need 4wd, use it. By need I mean loosing traction - heavy FEL work, plowing, discing, steep hills, ect. When I mow fields (borrowed 45hp CT) I leave it in 2wd. No need for the extra traction provided by powered front wheels. Would it hurt to use 4wd all the time? I dont know. If I was doing work that caused the tires to loose traction or potentially loose traction (steep hills, ect.) then IMO 4wd would be appropriate.
 
   / 4x4 Question #39  
Henro, feels that he needs 4 wheel most of the time. Theres nothing wrong with that. Others don't feel the need, thats OK too. I run my tractors in 4 wheel most of the time,because I feel the need. My 870 has 2090 hours and have not had any problems with the front end.
 
   / 4x4 Question #40  
Just last week a friend of my brother took his JD 4410 tractor out of 4 wheel drive because he did not want to forget to take it out when he got onto the blacktop. As he was traveling on a logging road headed off a hill it broke traction and slid about 50 feet, hit a dirt bank and rolled, coming to rest on its side. Just shows what can happen when someone thinks they don't need 4 wheel drive.
 

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