50 hour service--oil slick

   / 50 hour service--oil slick #21  
There's another post somewhere over the past year where someone was doing that. Personally I'd avoid it. I actually think hydraulic oil is thinner than bar oil, and bar oil has a sticky quality to it.

My hydraulic oil goes to the recycling center and I use husky or stihl bar oil in the saws. Even if I did use the hydro oil, I'd never consume it all so I'd have to take the excess to the recycling center anyway,
 
   / 50 hour service--oil slick #22  
Reuse?…, dirty nasty contaminated motor or hydraulic oil {possibly cancer producing} …to save a few pennies … NO. /w3tcompact/icons/frown.gif

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   / 50 hour service--oil slick #23  
I always like to err on the side of caution and change fluids at less than the recommended intervals.
At the 50 hr service I changed the engine oil and filter, the hydraulic oil and filter and cleaned the screen. When I took out the hyd oil, it was milky in color indicating some moisture in it. At the 100 hr service, the hyd oil was virtually clean of any moisture so I was glad to get the old oil out at 50 hrs.
I plan on changing the engine oil and filter every 50 hours and the hyd oil and filters every 100 hours. I am using UDT and for the small cost ($35.00) I feel more comfortable with changing every 100 hrs. As for the engine oil, it's a no brainer, every 50 hours no matter what.
As for my used oil, I got some empty 5 gallon oil buckets from my local dealer and when they are full, I bring them back. The dealer heats the shop with waste oil and is happy to have an additional supply.
There are 2 strainers on my 2710 as I do not have the second hyd filter and both should be cleaned. If you look in the shop manual it mentions "strainer" but shows the location of 2 of them.
 
   / 50 hour service--oil slick #24  
Got a good tip from my dealer regarding not being able to see the oil level on the dipstick for the hydro on my 2710.
Wipe the dipstick clean of runny oil then coat the stick with talcum powder (Baby powder) and put the stick back in.
Powder is gone at the level of the oil and the powder is so fine and such a small amount that the trans doesn't even know it's there.
Tried it and it works GREAT !
 
   / 50 hour service--oil slick #25  
I just hold the stick horizontal and it swells on the bottom in a bead. I'm sure the talc won't hurt it but I don't think I could bring myself to do that.

Rogue
 
   / 50 hour service--oil slick #26  
Dale,

You are a very brave man. I wouldn't do that "trick" with the talc, nuh-uh, no way!

John Bud

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   / 50 hour service--oil slick #27  
<font color=blue>I wouldn't do that "trick" with the talc, nuh-uh, no way</font color=blue>

John, is it because you know something bad that the powder might cause? Or are you like me, just no way I'd take the chance even though I doubt that it can hurt anything?/w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif

Bird
 
   / 50 hour service--oil slick #28  
Just completed the hydraulic part of the 50 hr service...I did it at 30 hours, upcoming job commitments won't let me do it before winter.

Of course, the comments by Dale and others are right on the mark. So thats why I didn't follow them. /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif Actually, I found that by removing the plug at the mid-pto first and letting it run dry that the volume of oil left in the remaining two plugs comes out as a short-lived manageable stream. (did not hit the tires and went straight into the bucket)

What I found difficult was how tight the strainers were installed. You really need a socket and breaker bar...You wont get it with an adjustable wrench. I managed to get the starboard side by scribing the paint around the bolt head and grunting a lot. Kind of like opening a window thats been painted shut. Rather than rounding it over I left the port side to do next spring.

JB
 
   / 50 hour service--oil slick #29  
Thanks to the information in this post (and several other related posts) I can report that I did not have an "oil slick" during the drain and re-fill of the hydraulic fluid on my B2710... As a matter of fact I spilled more fluid trying to re-fill the transmission than I did draining it out.

I spent a ton of time researching this job before I actually did it and I'd like to summarize what I learned so that the info is all in one place for anyone else looking at doing this job themselves. This would apply to a Kubota B2710, B2410, B2910, and perhaps the B7800 as well. I have the "one hydraulic filter" version of the B2710, so anyone with a B2910, a newer B2710 (and probably a B7800) that have two filters for the hydraulics would need to read make note that their "milage may vary" from mine... /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

As was mentioned by one of the posts I read, I drained the front transmission case first. This reduced the amount of fluid that I remained when I drained the other parts of the system. A 14mm socket is required to remove the drain plug which resides below the drive line and faces the rear of the tractor. I drained almost a gallon of fluid from this port.

I drained the mid-transmission port next. This plug is on the mid PTO itself and requires a 17mm box wrench to remove (my socket wrench was too thick to fit up agains the body of the PTO). This is where the bulk of the fluid was drained from.

Finally I pulled the two drains on the rear transmission (17mm socket or box wrench). Because most of the fluid had been drained by this time, I did not get the oil slick that was reported by other folks.

The oil filter (on the left side only on my tractor) required the use of a small "strap style" filter wrench (which took a bit of work to get it on the filter and under the various pipes and linkages near the filter). The type of filter wrench that fits on the end of the filter body (cap style) would have been a better bet. The replacement filter is Kubota# 66021-36060.

The screens took a bit of doing to get off. The left side screen was the tightest but I was able to break it free after cutting the paint around the bolt head. A breaker bar would have helped here. The orignal post in this thread had reported in another post that this was a 27mm bolt but in fact is is a 26mm bolt - a socket is needed to get around the various plumbing around the bolt. There was very little in the way of metal filings on this screen. The right hand screen was much easier to break loose (also 26mm) and contained considerable more metal shavings than the left hand screen. Maybe the same volume as a quarter.

Putting the new fluid in was much more of a pain since the fill is located behind the seat and almost directly under the cross piece that joins the two rear fenders. The tool box that is mounted under the seat is also in the way and I removed that to give me more room (10mm socket). A long, flexible spout funnel would have made this part of the job trouble free but I managed with a small funnel that fit under the cross piece. I also used a clean 1 gallon milk jug to transfer the new fluid from the 2.5 gallon containers to the transmission (half a gallon at a time). I put in about 3 and a quarter gallons against the listed 3.7 gallon capacity. I do need to run the tractor for a bit and see if the level drops any.

Thanks to all who had taken on this job in the past and who had taken the time to make comments...it made my job much easier! /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
 

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