50hr service do it yourself???

[IslandTractor]

I wonder how you would prove that there was metal in the hydraulics from new to make a warranty claim if the hydraulics had a failure at a later date ? Seeing how it was not found by the dealer at the 50 hour service and a record made . Like i said , they may fix it out of good will but in AUSTRALIA , they would not be required by law to do so .

There are always metal filings in a new HST. That is one reason that the manufacturers typically use magnetic bolts at the drain holes. I think you are stretching this a bit far. Perhaps the notion that consumer laws are different in different parts of the world has not impressed you yet. The car and tractor companies in the US don't have the sort of fearful control over warranty qualification that you seem to be experiencing. As noted earlier in this thread, taking your machine to a dealer for routine service (including the 50hr) is recommended but optional.

It would be fairly arbitrary of a manufacturer to insist on having the machine delivered back to the dealer unless they built those costs into the tractor deal and had the dealer come fetch the machine and do the work as part of the purchase price. If the machine requires expert attention at 50 hours it could be argued that this service is really the manufacturer's responsibility so why not mandate it be included? No one disputes the need to change fluids/filters and check the machine over but where is the evidence that a manufacturer's representative needs to do that work? Why not insist that the dealer representative check the oil dipstick each day before you start the tractor? I don't have any trouble seeing why a manufacturer would like to shift the burden for this 50hr service on to the customer and to use any devious means possible to escape their warranty responsibilities if something goes wrong but the other side of the coin, the consumer's side, needs to be taken into account as well. In the US, probably because of the legions of lawyers running around sueing everyone, the consumer protection laws appear to have shifted that balance more in favor of the customer. In Oz it is apparently shifted towards the manufacturer. No absolute right or wrong here, just local laws/practices.

 

[greenmule]

Well iron horse,it just is different over here in good ole usa.

We've already shown that kioti and kubota don't care if you do your own 50 hour service. Havn't heard from others but I am pretty sure they all are same on this regard.

Like I said,you are wrong about this[in the us anyways.]

 

[jake98]

Somewhere along the line, a number cruncher must have figured out how much more to charge us for our tractors' warantee, since the sellers' rights have been limited. If I was making tractors and I had to warantee backyard mechanics' work, after the sale, at a critical point, I'd have to attach a number to it...

I did my own anyway. (and used the fluid on the brush heap)

 

[Eagleview]

I have emailed the Kioti factory to get an answer from the people who should know , but a week has gone by and no reply . I have asked on this thread for ANY of the Kioti dealer who WOULD be reading this thread for the correct answer , with no reply . When one of these entities says it is so , i will believe it .

 

[IslandTractor]

I have emailed the Kioti factory to get an answer from the people who should know , but a week has gone by and no reply . I have asked on this thread for ANY of the Kioti dealer who WOULD be reading this thread for the correct answer , with no reply . When one of these entities says it is so , i will believe it .

I have just looked up the warranty posted on Kioti's website. The only relevant portions are general statements about REPAIRS under warranty needing to be done with Kioti parts and dealers. There is no statement at all regarding the 50 hour service but there is the following statement on regular maintenance (as a reason for voiding the warranty):

Regular maintenance and service is not performed as prescribed by the operatorç—´ manual during the warranty term.​

Note that it says "as prescribed by the operator's manual" not as done by a Kioti dealer. I have already described in previous posts how the operator's manual (which says nothing at all about taking the tractor to the dealer for service at 50hrs or any other maintenance interval) details at a consumer level with appropriate photographs showing where filters are etc, how to do the 50 hour maintenance.

I also looked at the Kubota warranty which also does not make any statement at all about the 50 hour service needing to be done at the dealer and simply tells the owner to document that they did scheduled services.

I have also searched TBN for any "warranty" "50 hour service" issues and find no discussions of anyone who has had trouble with having a warranty voided because they did their own maintenance at 50hrs. No reports that any dealer told people it would void their warranty. Quite a number of attestations that people had checked with their dealer and been told it was OK to do the service yourself and lots of advice to simply document the service with receipts along with advice to buy the fluids and filters from the dealer as a form of documentation.

One major Kubota dealer has instructions on line with photos for doing your own major interval service (presumably including 50hrs as there is no exclusion and it involves changing transmission oil and filters)Kubota BX Service.

I appreciate your incredulity as business may be done differently in Australia but I'd say the burden of proof here is on you not on those who plan to do their own 50hr service, at least in the USA.

 

[greenmule]

Iron horse,in other words,you brought it up,show us proof of your statement.[in the us,not down under].

What maybe could have been a good first post for you in this thread would have been to simply state the facts,that in the land down under,with your new holland[think thats what you said you had was?],you are not allowed to do 50 hour service,dealer has to in order to keep warrenty good.

 

[garydc]

I'm of the opinion that if you are mechanically inclined by all means do your own servicing and such, but as Island says do a complete check of all bolts and nuts especially the loader and hoe mounts I found a couple loose bolts on the loader and removed all, cleaned threads put on medium loctite and torqued the bolts again ,that said if you dont feel up to the task or don't have the skills definitely go to dealer and pay to have it done it would be worth it in the long run for you. Gary

 

[George in Spokane]

And, don't forget to check the timing and gap the spark plugs!

You had me for a minute there. I was thinking "You know, I can't remember what to gap them to..."

 

[IslandTractor]

You had me for a minute there. I was thinking "You know, I can't remember what to gap them to..."

I'd have to look it up myself.

 

[greenmule]

What do you guys mean??
I'm going out to look