58 MPG by 2032

[Gator6x4]

The chart of utility rates is pretty close for me in Illinois but by the time you add in all the taxes and other fees it’s probably a couple of Pennie’s more.

The amount due on my bill includes taxes and other fees if any. This is the amount I pay. i have never paid a separate bill for taxes and fees on a utility bill.

Be glad you don’t live in NC. In 2016 we had a political change. One of the things started when the (R’s) moved in was a tax on Labor.

The average auto tech in NC is making 20-30 dollars an hour. Dealers are charging 85-200. Can you see where the greed is?

 

[dodge man]

Ours all shows up on the same bill. It’s just the electricity is about 12 cents a kilowatt but by the time you figure the rest in it adds up to more.

 

[ultrarunner]

Probably also have a fourth.

Hospitals need uninterrupted electrical power 24/7. So that means Generators capable of providing electrical service for critical care equipment and data flow must also be readily available 24/7.

The manager of a Data Center told me one time one of the most expensive things is when he has to generate electrical power to keep the Data Center operational when he loses his primary electrical service. He got to talking about maintaining Electrical Sine Wave parity when his primary electrical service drops out is a huge headache.

He is the one that also told me Federal Regulation are very stringent for Hospitals and Data Centers when it comes to Generators and fuel types.

What regulations govern data center operations?

Understand the environmental and health/safety regulations that govern data center operations and provide training to your team to avoid citations.

sapientservicesllc.com

And now excellent Hospital generators are targets for retirement if they happen to not be tier 4 final… BAAQMD

 

[fatjay]

Our power spiked from 11c/kwh to 17c/kwh, I didn't even realize it. I installed new equipment to cut power, and factored the cost of the equipment would pay for itself in about 15 months. The bill didn't go down the next month by any measurable amount so I went to verify that the usage recorded was lower. I have my own instruments for monitoring consumption as well. The reading was ~2500kwh, vs the forecasted 3500kwh on the old equipment. However that massive increase in costs just killed any savings I would have seen.

I will be pushing my solar array install up to as soon as possible to try and further offset the increased costs. It's really not a selling point for EV's when it's going to cost me more to run them. Once I have a big enough array in place I'll be ordering batteries and disconnecting entirely.

 

[ultrarunner]

More are doing this…

At the rate of increase there might come a time when we look back and say remember when it was 50 cents a kWh?

Many have made substantial reductions with LED lighting and more efficient appliances.

The big counter is A/C is becoming very much the norm on new and retrofit installs.

A person with a 2500 square feet home averaging 12 kWh a day in the summer gets quite a shock when the first bill comes after running the new central A/C plus 4 to 9 is peak tier pricing…

The newest proposal is equity billing so those with more pay at a higher rate so those with less will pay a lower rate.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/letterstotheeditor/article/pge-electric-rates-equitable-17898543.php

Is it me or does anyone else think change is on overdrive from all sides?

 

[WinterDeere]

Our power spiked from 11c/kwh to 17c/kwh, I didn't even realize it. I installed new equipment to cut power, and factored the cost of the equipment would pay for itself in about 15 months.

Well, at 17c/kwh, the payback will be even faster! Imagine what you'd be paying if you hadn't done the upgrades.

Is it me or does anyone else think change is on overdrive from all sides?

Yes, but then I wonder if it's just a matter of perspective. Things always seem static when you're a kid, "things have been this way forever," just not realizing the change your parents and grandparents have seen in their lifetimes. Then you get old, look back, and say "what the hell happened?"

We're air-conditioning about 7800 of our 8100 sq.ft., plus running a swimming pool at 87 -89 F on a heat pump. Our all-in cost on electric has been hanging around 19c/kwh for a very long time, thanks to both cheap nat.gas in PA and our several nuke plants. If our electric went to 50c/kWh, I'd be paying about $1300/month in electric, based on current usage.

 

[ultrarunner]

Natural Gas was always touted as clean but no more with outright new construction bans and utilities say this will increase costs…

 

[WinterDeere]

Natural Gas was always touted as clean but no more with outright new construction bans and utilities say this will increase costs…

It's still pretty clean. A ventless gas stove in your house may not be as clean as an electric appliance powered by a gas-fired electrical plant, but it was really the health impact on children growing up in houses with ventless gas appliances, which put the final nail in that coffin.

I've posted a graph showing our (USA) electric production by source at least three times in this thread, and you can see the way gas has grown over the last few years, in its climb to completely replace coal. That's a good thing, I think. Maybe not as good as nukes, and nowhere near as good as renewables, but still better than the coal we'd been using 40 years ago.

 

[fatjay]

Well, at 17c/kwh, the payback will be even faster! Imagine what you'd be paying if you hadn't done the upgrades.

That's what I told my wife, but she just sees the bottom line and how I promised it would save money, and hasn't.

 

[WinterDeere]

That's what I told my wife, but she just sees the bottom line and how I promised it would save money, and hasn't.

But it has! If you could flip some switches to simulate the old setup, she'd see that right-quick.