97 octane in BX2230

[JJZ 109]

Just so you know, and this is to further the advice to thank your wife for trying to help out...

A harley don't run worth crap with a full tank of diesel.


Don't ask me how I know. :ashamed:

Fortunately never done that with my Harley.
However, I used a friend's snowmobile once. I was at her house and filled the sled with the can that her husband handed me. Guess what? Diesel. Got about a mile down the road and it just like someone threw the choke on full.
I don't think it turned out well for the sled's engine.

 

[KennyV]

Diesel will not hurt a gas engine but gas will hurt a diesel engine.

 

[ENTS]

Diesel will not hurt a gas engine but gas will hurt a diesel engine.

Kenny,

You're the second person to express this opinion (I'm sure others feel the same). Can you elaborate? The reason I ask, while in the service I put a 5 gal. jerry can of diesel in my VW. Even after draining, flushing, and cleaning the carb, never ran again. Yet, my wife ran that 2230 for over an hr. on a 50/50 mix of diesel/gas, and, my 933 does not seem to mind the gas (granted, very diluted). Just curious.

Thanks,

 

[ENTS]

Well, I did some poking around and find everyone saz gas is a no-no in diesel. Guess I got lucky with the 2230 and the small amounts going in the 933 haven't done any harm. I guess I'll stop putting that old chain saw mix in the 933. Now if I just still had rusty (well used 79 chevy pickup), that's where all the old mix use to go.

 

[KennyV]

The old cat engines were built very tough, LOTS of metal and will endure tremendous punishment... I also had a Cat motor grader with about the same engine that was in the 933 Traxcavator. I use to run a long tube into the intake from the cab and spray starting fluid into the intake when pushing the 14 foot blade (dozing with the motor grader). It would perk right up and push a loaded blade up a hill...I would NEVER dream of doing something like that with any other make diesel engine.... If I were doing it today I would just use propane and get the same boost with a lot less violence in the cylinders...

Diesel in gas engines tends to foul plugs and clog converters and ox sensors... but is not going to harm pistons rings or cranks...

KennyV

 

[newbury]

Well, I did some poking around and find everyone saz gas is a no-no in diesel.

Gas go boom at lower temp. On the "older" diesel's and ones made with "looser" tolerances and beefier parts the gas going boom may not wreck the engine.

I have been running diesel in cars since '79 (VW Rabbit 65 mpg, 50 mpg around town) I may now go out and pour some gas in my 7.3L diesel Ford MaxiVan, just to get it over with, but up to now have not put gas in a diesel fuel system. A little kero now and then when it's cold maybe.

BUT I was on a trip to Germany, my coworker (a car BUFF) rented a diesel VW and put about a quarter tank of gas in by mistake. It would start if well shaken. So there's 3 of us after a long bar night, and him (sober driver) jumping on the bumper 3 levels down in a garage trying to shake it up so it would start. It did.
Seems the older diesel's could take some gas. The newer ones CANNOT.

 

[Dirt Doctor]

Kerosene or Jp 4 will burn really well in a diesel. I had to use Jp4 in my ford 7.3 diesel, I had a bad batch of biofuel and put 10 gal of jp 4 in each tank, it ran like a top. It really had lots of kick, and it cleaned the fuel system really well. Now I wouldn't recommend a steady diet of jp4 but it did clean it up well.
Jack

Kerosene is related to jet fuel etc. JP 3, 4, 5, etc.




Its a truth in labeling thing where everyone has to sell straight diesel with the cetane level intact (you need to buy the diesel with the highest cetane level) and you have to either cut it yourself with kero or gasoline or the crazy fuel anti gelling/waxing additives like heat etc., sea foam should be on your weekly to do list and in all your fuels.




The diesel fuel is stored underground and does not get that cold to wax up( ground temperature is 52 degrees at 4 feet in depth typically) unless its in an exposed above ground tank or a tank in a car or truck.



You can bypass the whole mess and buy a RACOR diesel fuel filter which has a thermostat controlled heating element in the bottom of the sediment bowl and never have to worry about blending for cold weather at all as it will stop any waxing period.

 

[LRH]

I think that most tractor engines could also hold up to a certain amount of accidental gasoline added; it is the later model diesel engines that use extremely high pressure common rail type injection that cannot tolerate it, and most folks I know add some type of lubricity additive due to the high pressure and very close tolerances of these systems. I did add ~1 gallon to my GMC W3500 (Isuzu NPR) with common rail by accident when the local station near my work was replacing the fuel dispensers with new single hoses per side units for all gas grades. The only dispenser with 2 hoses had 1 hose for the 3 gas grades and 1 for the diesel; the workers had just finished that particular unit and said I could use it. Well he had screwed the old green handled hose to the gasoline side of the new unit and I just grabbed the larger diameter diesel nozzle and after a few seconds smelled gasoline so I stopped and let a little run onto the ground and it was gasoline. I finished filling it up with the new small nozzle gas hose after they determined it was a new hose with no gas in the hose. I refused to pay for the gallon of gas and told them I would be satisfied with them giving me a lubricity additive but only got a look like I was from Mars. I settled for a quart of Dexron III and went on my merry way. Even the common rail was not hurt by ~gal of gas in 31 gal of diesel. The workers did switch the hoses back, and I hope bled the incorrect fuel out, and to this day the 3 year old fuel dispensers have 3 year old hoses and the diesel has a 10-12 year old hose with cracks in the outer casing that leaves black on your hands from dry rot. Nobody at that place has ever bothered to call and request the 9th hose and new diesel nozzle that they probably paid for. The opposite side of the same dispenser has only a single hose for gas. I have never seen a fuel dispenser that has 2 hoses on 1 side (not under canopy so you get rained on) and only one on the other. I have used high flow truck stop dispensers with only single sides.

 

[Jay4200]

Well, I did some poking around and find everyone saz gas is a no-no in diesel. Guess I got lucky with the 2230 and the small amounts going in the 933 haven't done any harm. I guess I'll stop putting that old chain saw mix in the 933. Now if I just still had rusty (well used 79 chevy pickup), that's where all the old mix use to go.

FWIW, I put my old chainsaw and dirtbike mix AND any dirtbike/atv/mover/etc. gas that is more than a few months old into my pickup truck (Tundra). My thought is that regardless of how bad the fuel is, there is never more than a gallon or two, and with it diluted into a 25 gallon tank, I can't imagine that the truck cares. Hasn't yet anyway.

I also had a high-mileage Toyota Corolla that I ran 2-s mix in. I'd put one of those 3.2oz convenience bottles in with every 10ish gallon fill up. It was only a 400:1 mix, but the car felt like it ran better and had more power, and it definitely got a little bit better gas mileage.

JayC

 

[wvpolekat]

Just so you know, and this is to further the advice to thank your wife for trying to help out...

A harley don't run worth crap with a full tank of diesel.


Don't ask me how I know. :ashamed:

Is that different than with gasoline?