Oil & Fuel A quick 5 gallon fuel container rant

[GinNB]

I'm going to look for one this week. Someone must've changed the one on my tire machine before I got it- it requires a core to be in the stem.

 

[LBrown59]

Thanks and much appreicated.
Congrats .Nice job on a nice rig.
Mine and yours are different but that's what makes the world go round.

LBrown59...
Here are those pictures you requested.

I was going to set mine on a dolly but later decided on setting the drum on the floor.
Is your dum fastened to the dolly or just setting on it loose?

Is this a vent? Where can i find something like that?

Here is my vent.It's the fitting without the hose on it.

What fitting did you use to get from the pump down through the top of the drum?

I used this .

here it is installed on the drum with the hose attached to it.

My pump is not mounted to the drum.

My pump is on a shelf out away from the drum.

 

[Soundguy]

Woow...that had to make some noise. I've never had a problem using ether. One just needs to know how much to spray inside the tire.

It was at a 'adult school'.. and yes.. it made quite a noise and drew a crowd1

soundguy

 

[Soundguy]

i made up an air chuck with no core and had a air bow gun valve on it with a short hose to the chuck.. works great.

soundguy

Yes, I do know what you mean but my chucks all work with or without a valve core in place in the valve stem. No "pedal" involved. They were purchased variously at Camping World, HF, and NAPA. The latter two each has a gauge and a lever to press to release air. When not depressing the lever the gauge reads the pressure in the tire. When pressing the lever the gauge reads the pressure in the tire but slightly wrong due to line loss during heavy flow.

The Camping world chuck set up is a clip on self holding angle chuck plus on a separate hose a straight on push to engage self holding chuck. The two chucks are cross connected to each other so you can fill dual wheels at the same time and get the same pressure first time every time.

I think the little thing in the center of the chuck which depresses the valve core's center piece has a shoulder farther back in the chuck that hits the rim of the valve stem and lets air out. Not totally sure about this last part but it looks that way in the picture I have in memory.

There are also valve caps that have a check valve in them and you can air the tire directly THROUGH them. This is best for just "touching up" the pressure a bit. The extra restriction makes for a rather reduced flow rate and is not recommended for pumping up a totally, or nearly so, empty tire. These could certainly inhibit the sealing action trying to get the bead seated and sealed.

Chucks are cheap, I'd get one that didn't require the valve core to be in place.

Pat

 

[gemini5362]

Using ether works good. I have seen it done before I usually watch it from a long ways away and have my phone ready to dial 911 In case things blow up and the guy doing it is seriously injured. Using either or gas can hurt you pretty bad. I have used ratchet straps on everything from lawnmower tires to my tractor tires and have had it work every time for me. I have seen cheetahs used and they work great. For my occasional use they are a bit expensive and I have not taken the time to try to use a propane tank to make one. I would sure try the ratchet straps before i tried ether. It is a lot safer way to go. If you do that make sure that once the bead is on you stop. It gets a bit hard to release the ratchet strap on something like a tractor tire if you have filled it with air while the strap is still in place.

 

[N80]

On the low-tech side of things, I did install a tubeless valve stem with the core removed into one of my ventless cans. A 1/2 inch bit makes a perfect hole. It does not leak around the base or through the valve cap.

Its a very easy install, but you do need a piece of string or wire to fish it through. However, even though it helps, it doesn't help tons. The insides of the filler tube has a 'vent' tube in it that slows things down even with the new vent open. It is definitely better than without the new vent, but still not speedy.

Its such a cheap and easy thing to do that I am going to do the other cans.

 

[Soundguy]

Ditto that.. i think the tire valve stem is a gret idea.. I plan to add it to my cans as well.

soundguy

 

[Egon]

Gee, when I was a kid I used to solder valve stems onto cleaned empty antifreeze containers so I could pump in air when they were used to transport minnows used as bait when out fishing.

I just left the actual valve components out though as they were not required.

 

[LBrown59]

Here is my vent.

The can's just a little bigger though.

 

[patrick_g]

Using ether works good... Using either or gas can hurt you pretty bad. I have used ratchet straps on everything from lawnmower tires to my tractor tires and have had it work every time for me.

Last time I was in Baja I had new tires from USA to be installed on a motorhome I stored down there for when we wanted more space than our camper. I tried 1 inch diameter nylon ropes and a tourniquet approach (much more aggressive than smaller ratchet straps) and no joy. We paraded from tire shop to tire shop trying to get them mounted. One shop had a Cheetah but it couldn't do all the tires. We finally had to resort to the "fuel-air bomb" approach with WD-40 and gasoline ( a little less aggressive than all gasoline.)

Starting fluid (mostly ether) is a typical tire mounting approach used by off roaders with really serious tires when facilities are not near. I don't know if anyone has ever been seriously injured trying this but not to my knowledge (late 60's to present) which doesn't mean there hasn't been several maimings, deaths, and 3rd degree burns, just that I never heard about it.

Regarding the use of a tubeless valve stem for a vent: If one doesn't vent enough add a second or third.

There are threaded "through hull" fittings which could be used to provide a capable vent in larger sizes, say from about 1/2 inch or so on up to several inches. These are commonly used to make waterproof penetrations through bulkheads for wires and such and can be had with gaskets for a good seal.

Pat