Adding 3rd function hydraulics for Auger

[NCFarmLife]

Looking to get a 9" hydraulic auger, only problem is my 4540 didnt come with a 3rd function or rear remotes. I talked to the guys over at EA and he said I should go with rear remotes. The WR Long kit they sell is not designed for auger use.

What are my options here? If I buy the kit (dealer wants $1300) - is it fairly easy to install? anyone have any pictures, etc?

 

[KarTek]

Hi, not sure if it's applicable to your situation but I built my own rear remotes with components purchased from a local hydraulics company for about $400. Valve, hoses, fittings.

The biggest challenge was fabricating a proper mount for the valve that was out of the way of the 3pt hitch and any implement because the tractor is so small, there's not much room for anything back there.

There are others here who have built excellent rear remote systems, Mine is just basic, one valve, two directions of flow.

 

[NCFarmLife]

Do you have pics/parts list by chance? I've been reading online and here all morning to try to see if I can piece together my own system, but I'm still a bit lost.

***EDIT: I found this kit that looks like it might work.
Electro-hydraulic Third Function Tractor Kit

How can I tell if it's OK for auger use?

 

[RNeumann]

The reason the WR Long kit isn’t designed for auger use is because of flow , the constant on type of use or the fact it doesn’t reverse flow. I’m guessing it’s the last one since EA/WR Long kit is a nice one.

Finding some budget kit online doesn’t make for a nice hydraulic auger. Get a nice valve that will run the hydraulic motor properly.

 

[RNeumann]

Danuser 8300 hydraulic tractor auger drive - YouTube

 

[NCFarmLife]

Finding some budget kit online doesn't make for a nice hydraulic auger. Get a nice valve that will run the hydraulic motor properly.

So what is a "nice valve" - brands, specs, certain functionality? And how do I know what will "run the hydraulic motor properly" - is it dependent on flow, sizing, auger ratio? I *thought* I'd found 2 different kits (EA and Baileys) but apparently neither are correct for what I'm trying to do.

***EDIT: If it helps, after talking with the guys at EA, this is the auger I'm looking at now...
McMillen X975 Skid Steer, Skidsteer, Planetary Auger Drive Unit, 2" Hex Drive, 6-15 GPM, 24" Max diameter Auger

 

[Jabonee]

I would check the specs on the auger first(GPM) Remember tractor work pumps are usually pretty low(6 to 8 GPM) Have you considered a PTO driven auger?

 

[NCFarmLife]

I would check the specs on the auger first(GPM) Remember tractor work pumps are usually pretty low(6 to 8 GPM) Have you considered a PTO driven auger?

Yes... everything I've read, people hate them. FEL hydraulic seems to be the way to go.

The 4540 is rated at 11gpm according to Mahindra. 8.7 for accessories and 5 for steering. The X975 I linked to up above should be OK unless I'm missing something.

 

[prof fate]

i've put in many a hole with a pto auger, 15", and other than one hole with a rock and breaking a few pins on that, and twice (out of 60 some holes) have to back it out (easy to do -big pipe wrench works, unscrew a turn maybe 2 and that's all you need).

$600 some dollars at tractor supply.

So far $10/hole...LOL

 

[RNeumann]

So what is a "nice valve" - brands, specs, certain functionality? And how do I know what will "run the hydraulic motor properly" - is it dependent on flow, sizing, auger ratio? I *thought* I'd found 2 different kits (EA and Baileys) but apparently neither are correct for what I'm trying to do.

***EDIT: If it helps, after talking with the guys at EA, this is the auger I'm looking at now...
McMillen X975 Skid Steer, Skidsteer, Planetary Auger Drive Unit, 2" Hex Drive, 6-15 GPM, 24" Max diameter Auger

I’d call these guys direct and ask. I’ve talked to them and they were very helpful.

http://www.hyvair.com/pdf/solenoidd035vlv.pdf

Btw- I looked at the hydraulic motor. I think most 3rd function kits will do forward and reverse. So the reason they don’t like their kit running an auger is either flow/heat or the solenoid in the valve doesn’t like the prolonged open/on.

 

[Jabonee]

Looking to get a 9" hydraulic auger, only problem is my 4540 didnt come with a 3rd function or rear remotes. I talked to the guys over at EA and he said I should go with rear remotes. The WR Long kit they sell is not designed for auger use.

What are my options here? If I buy the kit (dealer wants $1300) - is it fairly easy to install? anyone have any pictures, etc?

Rear remote kit is easy to install. Little harder for a cabbed unit. Definitely the way to go if you can afford it. Biggest complaint I hear with using the FEL hydraulics is the loss of power due to the FEL valve and its relief valve.

 

[TractorNH]

The reason the WR Long kit isn稚 designed for auger use is because of flow , the constant on type of use or the fact it doesn稚 reverse flow. I知 guessing it痴 the last one since EA/WR Long kit is a nice one.

Finding some budget kit online doesn稚 make for a nice hydraulic auger. Get a nice valve that will run the hydraulic motor properly.

I had contacted WR Long and had a conversation with Nelson Long about a similar question:
Question about the electric hydraulic valve kit (3rd function, not the diverter). Is this valve rated for continuous operation or is it only intended to be used momentary? One of the applications of my new 3rd function is to run a pickup truck sized tailgate style sander which connects to my loader and has a hydraulic motor to spin it. I just want to make sure the valve kit is rated to be held in the "on" position for extended periods of time while using this sander without damaging the valve electrical components.

His response was the following:
You will not damage my valve, however most likely the fluid will heat up and then cause other problems for you. We have rated the valve at 12 gpm for intermittent operations like while using a grapple or 4n1 bucket.

The fluid would heat up because it is being forced through a smaller port size (3/8") than the flow of the tractor (1/2"). The suggestion to use the rear remotes would solve that since they are 1/2".

 

[RNeumann]

Ok that valve link above has a 30gpm or so option and it sounds like you would need 1/2” plumbing.......or the rear remote. Both have their place. It depends on what u r doing besides the auger.

 

[NCFarmLife]

Thanks for the info guys... I think I have a solution. I started a seperate thread over in the hydraulics section.

Take a look here and let me know what you think:
https://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/hydraulics/408804-sanity-check-3rd-function-build.html