Adding rear remotes on a small tractor

[dwalk19]

Hey guys wondering if it's worth adding rear remotes on a small compact tractor, I have a 25hp LS xj2025, no a lot of room back there plus I have backhoe on at times, I wish I would be able to add the remotes and be able to add a tnt kit for a box blade but I'm just not sure it's worth the $$ and the tractor would be able to have the room for the cylinders and tractor be able to perform the work needed, I have a lot of ditch work needing to be done, and my plan was to use pto tiller to break ground up and then use bucket and maybe box blade to grade it and cut in a shallow drainage ditch

 

[CincyFlyer]

If you have the backhoe, you already have the hard work - plumbing of hydraulic lines - completed! I'm going to move my current FEL controller valve to the back of my tractor, after replacing the FEL valve with a unit that also has a grapple control. I will likely make it removable, for space concerns; I'll see when I get everything plumbed.

 

[dwalk19]

Ok, I wondered about that but wasn't sure how to control it, what type of tractor do you own and will be trying that on,

 

[LD1]

Yes its worth it IMO. But you have to find room to mount a valve stack AND room to mount the couplers.

Need to decide on how many you want. And do you have to remove the 3PH to run the backhoe.

IF you added 3. Thats a 3-spool valve. I'd get at least one of the valves float, and one detent.

Take your current backhoe hoses, run the supply to the supply of your new remote valve. This valve needs to have a PB plug. The return line off the backhoe hoses needs to go to the PB. Then you need a 3rd line for the return and tee into a tank line on the tractor.

Then mount your 3 remote couplers however you wish and plumb accordingly.

Next time you want to mount the backhoe, plug the backhoe into the remote valve that has detent.

IF you have to remove the 3PH in order to use the backhoe, you could possibly downsize to 2 remotes if all you ever plan on using when the hoe is off, is a TNT.

Be prepared to spend ~$800 and a little labor.

 

[dwalk19]

I'm thinking I'd just need 2, mainly for box blade use, so the 2 hyd. lines (supply and return im assuming) feeding the backhoe now coud be plumbed into a new 2 spool valve set up,, is this correct and what does a typical 2 valve setup look like and cost

 

[CalG]

I'm thinking I'd just need 2, mainly for box blade use, so the 2 hyd. lines (supply and return im assuming) feeding the backhoe now coud be plumbed into a new 2 spool valve set up,, is this correct and what does a typical 2 valve setup look like and cost

Just a suggestion. If you are willing to consider a used valve, The hydraulic valve from a BOLENS HT-20 or HT-23 is a 2 spool valve, one with float, with Power Beyond and is VERY COMPACT.
E-brat has them frequently, around $100. but I've seen them for half that.
Something to consider

AND YES small tractors need hydro taps! I'm in the midst of adding a three spool valve with hard lines front and rear to an old Kubota B7200. The power tilt snow blade needs a tap or two up front, and the York Rake needs two out back.

Having the taps on the Bolens has got me spoiled. They set the standard for hydro. if only they would have fitted a 3pt and PTO ;-)

 

[LD1]

Yes that's how you would plumb it except you need a third line to tee into a return.

A two spool can be $200-$400. Just depends on what brand and options.

But the valve is only about half the cost. You need couplers, fittings, hoses, etc

 

[dwalk19]

So the third line would be a return to the reservoir your saying what would the 2 be I have now feeding the backhoe, obviously one is supply from pump I thought the other was a return,

 

[CalG]

all Directional control valves leak internally. This leads to "case pressure" if there is not a "return to tank" line.

If your hoe has only two lines, I would look closely as to how they are configured and check mfg. literature for comparison.

 

[LD1]

ONe on the backhoe would be a supply, the other would be hooked to a power beyond (which that goes on to feed the 3PH). Then you need to add the return line.

YES, typically a backhoe setup omits the return. Because the only thing down stream of the backhoe is the 3PH, and you cant have a heavy implement on the 3PH with the backhoe on. So there is no concern of over-pressurizing the "tank" passages of the valve.

 

[1stDeuce]

Always nice to hear alternate ways to do hydraulics.
On my MF, the hydraulics were plumbed from the pump to the FEL valve, and then to the 3ph via power beyond on the FEL valve. I interrupted between the FEL valve and 3PH for the backhoe pressure line, and I return the BH right to the tank instead of running it through the 3PH. This keeps me from accidentally using the 3PH with the BH on, since I don't have to completely remove the 3pt arms to mount the BH. If I do need to raise the arms slightly, I simply plug the BH return into the other side connector, which feeds the 3ph, but I don't leave it there.

As for TnT, I had planned to use two diverters off the FEL valve, and have both engaged at the same time via a toggle switch. This way the FEL valve would either control the FEL, or the TnT. I figured the movement of the FEL joystick was more "intuitive" to tilt forward/back, or left/right than having two remote levers that both move forward/backward...

Having an actual remote valve is another option though.

If you have BH plumbing, you already know where to get the pressure feed for the remote valves. If your BH connects to the same two fittings that you must then connect when you remove the BH, then it's returning through the 3ph, and you can interrupt either of those hoses to run the aux hydraulics, and they'll work with the BH connected, or not. If your BH dumps straight to tank like mine, where one of the BH hoses plugs into a fitting on the tractor that is not otherwise used, then you need to interrupt the pressure line before the backhoe to have the remotes work with or without the BH. (This is the line from the tractor that you unplug from a fitting on the tractor and plug into the backhoe...)

Good luck!!

 

[dwalk19]

Sounds good guys, I'm away from home for a couple days but will check manual for a hydraulic schematic when I'm back, do you guys recommernd a good 2 spool valve that is compact um thinking I'll try build some sort of mount to my ROPs, or next to my seat

 

[dwalk19]

Sounds good guys, I'm away from home for a couple days but will check manual for a hydraulic schematic when I'm back, do you guys recommernd a good 2 spool valve that is compact um thinking I'll try build some sort of mount to my ROPs, or next to my seat

Second question I'm mainly concerned with a hydraulic top link right now, going to be doing alot of box blade work, how do you measure for cylinder length, just by taking standard top link and measure it all the way out and then all the way in and that should help determine stroke length based upon length of hydraulic cylinder

 

[MtnViewRanch]

Second question I'm mainly concerned with a hydraulic top link right now, going to be doing alot of box blade work, how do you measure for cylinder length, just by taking standard top link and measure it all the way out and then all the way in and that should help determine stroke length based upon length of hydraulic cylinder

After doing this try to get a unit that is either centered on the stroke or has about 1/2" more retraction then extension.

 

[LD1]

If only two remotes, a consideration would be a joystick valve like for a loader.

Will just have to use a bunjee cord to hold position when using backhoe.

Other options would be to try to find a monobock with spool features you want. Or a stack valve and just get the work sections you want.

Try to get a valve that closely matches your tractors flow without going smaller. That will get you the most compact and will give you the best control over feathering.

 

[dwalk19]

Where's a good place to buy valves,

 

[LD1]

Depends on what you are looking for? Cheap no-name? Or high end?

 

[dwalk19]

Well id like to keep it around $250 if possible, and as compact as I can for a 2 spool valve, I was hoping to find a website where I could look through all the different options, I just wondered if there was a go to site, I'll have to do some research I suppose,,

 

[LD1]

Northerntool.com
Baileynet.com
Hydraulicstore.com
Surpluscenter.com

That should get you started

 

[dwalk19]

Sounds good thanks