Additives

[Car Doc]

I am using ulsd which doesn't have much lube anyway and also my old engine was not designed for it either but I add gray bottle PS @ double strength at the tractor when topping it off fwtw.

 

[California]

Winter Diesel is #1 diesel and essentially kerosene. It is a drier fuel so should have some lubricating additives added. In addition it contains less paraffin wax so your mileage/power/etc will not be nearly as good as #2 diesel. I would just purchase a winter additive and add it to your #2 diesel.

I am using ulsd which doesn't have much lube anyway and also my old engine was not designed for it either but I add gray bottle PS @ double strength at the tractor when topping it off fwtw.

Thanks, both. I use PowerService (gray) year round since I don't need an anti-gel in this climate. I assume this adds the needed lubricity. The main thing PS does is reduce fuel knock clanking. Also it lets the YM240 start with less drama and smoke - more like a warm engine - when the temperature is in the 40's. I'm sure it would start easily lower than that but I haven't needed to in the nine years I've owned it.

 

[Car Doc]

I am cautious about trusting "winter" additives as a do all for #2 fuel for this reason.... I have heard so many stories of trucks gelling up that suposedly had winter fuel it happens every year around here.

I personally have had farm semis gel out on the hwy and that is no fun changing fuel filters in 20 degree weather on the side of the hwy and in all the other bad weather that comes with that. #1 and #2 mix is the only for sure way as long as its mixed right and at 5 gallons a fill affording #1 #2 mix for one of these Yanmars is no biggy jmho on that. my .002

 

[sdkubota]

I am cautious about trusting "winter" additives as a do all for #2 fuel for this reason.... I have heard so many stories of trucks gelling up that suposedly had winter fuel it happens every year around here.

I personally have had farm semis gel out on the hwy and that is no fun changing fuel filters in 20 degree weather on the side of the hwy and in all the other bad weather that comes with that. #1 and #2 mix is the only for sure way as long as its mixed right and at 5 gallons a fill affording #1 #2 mix for one of these Yanmars is no biggy jmho on that. my .002

Don't blame you and I am also old school that is used to running #1 in the winter. I have cautiously asked around and everyone says the additives wrk and just burn #2. Since my life won't depend on my tractor not gelling and my tractor sits in a heated garage (40 degrees), I am trying it. The thought of not having 2 different fuel types appeals to me.

 

[Car Doc]

Yeah thats a good plan with it in the garage mine is inside also I dont do any more outside than absolutely necessary when its cold. I can only imagine the additives do work its probably where the fuel gets bought and what temp it was treated to at that location and how long it sits before the temps get lowered etc quite a lot of variables it seems like. :thumbsup:

 

[clemsonfor]

I keep meaning to do the math and add some 2 stroke at 300:1 but haven't yet. Even loggers around here have trouble starting stuff when it hits the teens. I assume not all places sell winter mix here in sc, cause each time we have a few cold days in a row I have a logger that has to change filters or either cant get something cranked. THe last hard winter we had a few years ago I had one that used 2 filters in a loader and killed the batts and still never got it going and just went home. THese guys either get fuel every day if they buy it at a station or they have huge thousand gallon tanks filled every month or two at the shop that they pull from, its not like they got caught with August's fuel in February!

 

[redfarmer]

We run polar power in our #2 diesel and never had a problem and we get an occasional 0 degree weather.

 

[sdkubota]

I keep meaning to do the math and add some 2 stroke at 300:1 but haven't yet. Even loggers around here have trouble starting stuff when it hits the teens. I assume not all places sell winter mix here in sc, cause each time we have a few cold days in a row I have a logger that has to change filters or either cant get something cranked. THe last hard winter we had a few years ago I had one that used 2 filters in a loader and killed the batts and still never got it going and just went home. THese guys either get fuel every day if they buy it at a station or they have huge thousand gallon tanks filled every month or two at the shop that they pull from, its not like they got caught with August's fuel in February!

I add 2 stroke at 200:1 to my diesel. Make sure it meets TC-W3 specs.

http://www.jatonkam35s.com/DeuceTechnicalManuals/Diesel_fuel_additive_test.pdf

 

[clemsonfor]

I add 2 stroke at 200:1 to my diesel. Make sure it meets TC-W3 specs.

http://www.jatonkam35s.com/DeuceTechnicalManuals/Diesel_fuel_additive_test.pdf

All I have is TCW3, except the tiny bit of chainsaw 2 stroke. I got 2 boats so I got the watercooled stuff by the gallons.

 

[careyo63]

#7 Super Tech Outboard 2-Cycle Engine Oil. TC-W3 16oz. at Wally World. $2.43

 

[clemsonfor]

i buy it by the gallon for around $9 I think.

 

[careyo63]

I got the 2000 out today and mixed about 3/8 0f an Once to a guesstimate of 1 1/4 Gal. of Diesel today. Without a Doubt it's Quieter and Smoother with no noticeable loss of power. I believe I'm going to be running it now. :thumbsup:

 

[California]

I got the 2000 out today and mixed about 3/8 0f an Once to a guesstimate of 1 1/4 Gal. of Diesel today. Without a Doubt it's Quieter and Smoother with no noticeable loss of power. I believe I'm going to be running it now. :thumbsup:

So 1:400 TC-W3? Is that in addition to Powerservice? Maybe I should try that.

 

[kenmac]

I got the 2000 out today and mixed about 3/8 0f an Once to a guesstimate of 1 1/4 Gal. of Diesel today. Without a Doubt it's Quieter and Smoother with no noticeable loss of power. I believe I'm going to be running it now. :thumbsup:

I just buy it by the gallon. I'll have to check the size of my mixing bottle. I believe it's 2oz.

 

[careyo63]

So 1:400 TC-W3? Is that in addition to Powerservice? Maybe I should try that.

No PS. and It was a guess at 3/8oz. prob. more like 1/2oz.-5/8 since only 1,2,3 oz's. on my mixing bottle. Also was a guess at 1/4 tank that I marked yrs. ago. I was shooting for at least 200:1 I bought A Ranger boat with a bad motor. I owned it for over 10 yrs. that we removed the Oil injection when we rebuilt it. I always run a little to much 2cyl.
than just not enough esp. when it was a 150 and we used a 200 block.

 

[clemsonfor]

even in your gas truck you wont notice 200+:1 that's not enough oil to notice.

Like I said I been meaning to do it. But I will run it to a full tank, I usually add 5 gallons at the time.

Supertec 2stroke oil is been said to be pretty good stuff on the boat forum I frequent, I have always run it on all 3 of my boats I have had, one was a early 70s 25hp the others I still have, a 91 150hp and a 81 60hp. All OMC motors as that's what I like, the simplicity and reliability and I know them and can trouble shoot them pretty good now as well as fix them.

 

[stormpetrel]

even in your gas truck you wont notice 200+:1 that's not enough oil to notice.

Like I said I been meaning to do it. But I will run it to a full tank, I usually add 5 gallons at the time.

Supertec 2stroke oil is been said to be pretty good stuff on the boat forum I frequent, I have always run it on all 3 of my boats I have had, one was a early 70s 25hp the others I still have, a 91 150hp and a 81 60hp. All OMC motors as that's what I like, the simplicity and reliability and I know them and can trouble shoot them pretty good now as well as fix them.

I have been using outboard 2 stroke oil for my chainsaw, and the saw doesn't seem to like it. Anyone else notice this? This leads me to the second question (which Clemsonfor may have just answered): can I put the 2 gallons of 50:1 gas/oil mixture in my truck's tank when I fill up to dilute it safely?

 

[sdkubota]

I have been using outboard 2 stroke oil for my chainsaw, and the saw doesn't seem to like it. Anyone else notice this? This leads me to the second question (which Clemsonfor may have just answered): can I put the 2 gallons of 50:1 gas/oil mixture in my truck's tank when I fill up to dilute it safely?

There is 2 stroke oil especially designed for air cooled engines...that is what you should run in your chainsaw not boat motor oil. Not sure about using the 2 stroke gas in your truck...is it really worth the risk given what mechanics charge?

 

[kenmac]

I wouldn't use it in my gas burner

 

[stormpetrel]

There is 2 stroke oil especially designed for air cooled engines...that is what you should run in your chainsaw not boat motor oil. Not sure about using the 2 stroke gas in your truck...is it really worth the risk given what mechanics charge?

As soon as I started using the outboard motor 2 stroke oil it was apparent the saw wasn't liking it. That's why I have 2 gallons of it!! I got some Husqvarna oil and that was that. I figured 2 gallons of oiled gas out of 24 gallons total in the truck would render it insignificant......500 to 1 or so. People have been talking in this thread about using heavier amounts in four stroke diesel engines......

On another note, someone in the Husqvarna forum suggested Sea Foam for a balky carb in my husky 445.....worked like charm. 10 minutes after adding a slug of the stuff to my tank the bogging and sputtering were gone. Excellent product!