Advantages of a gear/synchro over HST?

[Bedlam]

He felt it was a troublesome tractor, but Ford determined they would stand behind it,But eh dealer did give me the trade in amount of what I had paid a year previous. Of which still to this day inpresses me.
But that was shortlived as they sold out to the bigger company.A company who seems to not even care to return my calls and emails when I wanted to trade again.

 

[greenmule]

Pat g..No,don't think I'm super ****,are you?

Fact is hst takes away pto hp,not much,book says one,but could be more for all we know,but some,facts is facts.
Fact is hst's are more expensive to repair,in general sort of way,you all can say,well,yeah just replacing clutch disks,but if you replace all the gears and stuff its about equal,all you want.
Fact is they are more expensive to buy than geared tractor.
About the only thing a hst tractor might be easier to use doing is loader work,and I mean alot of loader work,not two scoops

 

[Slackdaddy]

No one mentioned the saftey factor.
How many "pull over deaths" have we heard about ?
Hooking a chain to the rear of a geared tractor the pull the stuck (????) out.
Put it in low gear, next thing you know the front lifts, now you are at an angle you cant push the clutch, now your vertical, now your dead.
happens in a split second. In low gear them geared units could idle through a brick wall.

Slack

 

[Bedlam]

'In low gear them geared units could idle through a brick wall'

says it all for the geared..power

 

[Loren49]

I compared PTO HP on some of the CK models. The HST results in a 5 to 5.5% decrease in useable power in these tractors. One example - CK27 gear has 21.7 pto hp and the CK30 HST has 22 pto hp. Not sure the difference in cost of the 2 tractors but its certainly a few $$$$. With the DK45 the difference a little over 4% - looks like percent goes down as hp increases.
No reason to get nasty in the discussion - its ok to have different opinions. I'm sure enjoying spring and the new tractor.

Loren

 

[Egon]

'In low gear them geared units could idle through a brick wall'

Just think of what they could go through at the same speed but at full throttle!

 

[Reg]

No one mentioned the saftey factor.
How many "pull over deaths" have we heard about ?
Hooking a chain to the rear of a geared tractor the pull the stuck (????) out.
Put it in low gear, next thing you know the front lifts, now you are at an angle you cant push the clutch, now your vertical, now your dead.
happens in a split second. In low gear them geared units could idle through a brick wall.

Slack

Seems to me I've read about hydros left idling without brakes set that have just snuck up on people and slowly mowed 'em down.

No way will a tractor flip over backwards if that chain is hooked to the drawbar - BY DESIGN it won't happen.
Now, if someone is dumb enough to hook the chain to the top link, well maybe operating a clutch is a bit too much for them, so that scenario is more likely for a hydro owner (-:

I don't "ride the clutch", but you can bet I have my left foot hovering where it might be needed if there is any chance of a wheelie.
BTW, they're not THAT sudden.
Heck, they're not even THAT SUDDEN on a 150+ HP motorcycle (-:

 

[Gittyup]

I do believe the HST is safer and more convenient. It's safer because it's easier for a mistake to get you into trouble with gear. My gear is a shutttle shift. Let's say you're moving dirt a good distance, and then pushing over a steep embankment. You move the dirt in a high gear until you get close to the embankment edge. Then you shift to a slower gear for safety. You might even switch ranges from high to low rather than change gears. When finished you then shift the range back to high and prepare to go get another load, but you forget to put the shuttle in forward! When you let out the clutch over the embankment you go. One might say, yeah if you're that dumb you shouldn't be driving a tractor. Well when you are operating a gear shifter, range selector, shuttle lever, clutch, joystick, and and possibly even a 3PH lever, it's easy to forget one or the other. This doesn't happen with HST because you always have infinite speed control from your foot. No fooling with all that other stuff. Now you could press on the reverse pedal when you meant to press on the forward (or visa versa), but that is less likely. In fact, I can't recall ever doing that on my HST.

Another example: You're loading mulch into the bed of your pickup. Your feet are wet from dew or rain or whatever. As you ease up to the truck with your gear-powered load, you clutch to stop but your foot slips off the clutch and you slam into the side of your pickup. Won't happen with HST.

 

[patrick_g]

Seems to me I've read about hydros left idling without brakes set that have just snuck up on people and slowly mowed 'em down.

No way will a tractor flip over backwards if that chain is hooked to the drawbar - BY DESIGN it won't happen.
Now, if someone is dumb enough to hook the chain to the top link, well maybe operating a clutch is a bit too much for them, so that scenario is more likely for a hydro owner (-:

I don't "ride the clutch", but you can bet I have my left foot hovering where it might be needed if there is any chance of a wheelie.
BTW, they're not THAT sudden.
Heck, they're not even THAT SUDDEN on a 150+ HP motorcycle (-:

Please note the HST driver doesn't need to press the clutch in the flip over scenario to get out of it safely, just let up on the HST pedal or even reverse the pedal.

Not that sudden... (???) I saw an older non-ROPS gear tractor that was unloaded from a util trailer. The operator had safely chained the tractor down quite thoroughly but... missed one chain before trying to back off the trailer. The tractor went up and over 180 degrees and fell on the driver pinning him to the ground with the steering wheel. They hauled him off on a back board wearing a cervical collar but his internal injuries were probably pretty massive and his chances were not too good. I did not follow the story to its conclusion, maybe a miracle happened and he ended up OK.

This flip over happened very fast. When the engine torque couldn't rotate the wheels with respect to the tractor it rotated the entire tractor with respect to the wheels. Not expecting a flip over the driver probably wasn't operating with his foot on the clutch. No seat belt either so when the tractor started up the driver did not maintain a normal operator position which precluded a simple quick clutching. For all I know he may have tried and missed or most likely froze at the controls like a deer in the headlights.

He was unloading the tractor at an independent tractor repair shop. I was at an adjacent business getting a cracked windshield replaced. I was only about 100 ft away. These sort of REAL experiences tend to make an impression beyond tales of supposition.

Pat

Pat

 

[Bedlam]

Are any of these really infinate? or do they all have ranges like my old ford three of them you still had to stop to change ranges