Advice on new barn construction needed

   / Advice on new barn construction needed #21  
I love my trees, but I've found that one of those things I regret is keeping one when removing it would have solved all my problems. I've also learned that once it's gone, I don't miss it. If I was you, I would reconsider my plan if there wasn't any trees in the way. What would you build then?

Eddie
 
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#22  
actually, I would build the same thing and take the trees down if they did not clear. Power lines can be moved, or if need be, I can take the pear tree down at the far end and then move the whole thing five feet further away from the power pole.
Currently lined up with existing barn, but I think the next building will have to be set back a little.
 
   / Advice on new barn construction needed #23  
daug, sounds like a great building ye'er after! Good size too, and I understand the need for height if a motorhome goes in there. My travel trailer is over 9' tall, need at least 10' to get'er in good.

I was about to agree with old Wagtail way down in Tasmania about price, but after seeing all that you're getting, that $50K might not be so bad after all. Keep us posted, and remember we don't read so good around here = we love pics!
 
   / Advice on new barn construction needed #24  
I love my trees, but I've found that one of those things I regret is keeping one when removing it would have solved all my problems. I've also learned that once it's gone, I don't miss it. If I was you, I would reconsider my plan if there wasn't any trees in the way. What would you build then?

Eddie

Oh, man do I SECOND this!!! :banghead::mur: :banghead::mur:

Dagnabbit!! Right now, my biggest concern, and the most work I MUST do around me place is ---- TO CUT TREES!!! Way back when I still had milk around me mouth (a whippersnapper), I had the crazy idea I wanted to live in the woods! Oh yeah, I thought, it takes 50-70 years to grow a nice tree but only 10 minutes to cut'er down, don't cut me trees!!! Oh me. I've lived to regret that many times over! Now, if I ever buy land again, I want pasture land!! Then, I can plant what I want where I want it! Cut'em. Cut'em plumb on down on the ground where a tree belongs. Hey, stand still around here long enough, and nature will bite, sting, suck the blood out of ye, vines grow up and choke ye to death, and otherwise try to kill ye!
 
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Two years ago, my 5-bay shed (one bay, roller doored workshop) with pad and assembled was A$32k.

looking at the internal picture you sent, that looks like a full metal building, no wood. No termites there for sure.
My spec is 1800 sf, concrete floor and aprons, two entrance doors, two big rollup doors, everything insulated seriously and fully hvac'd. One interior "office" using up a door and window left over from my house remodel. 200 amp wiring (rethought that), very high lumen interior lighting, hopefully dimmable (led?) and that's it. No water, no bathroom, not going to put a new septic system in my home. Happy to wizz in woods thirty feet away.

Ok, here's my guesstimate and we'll see how it pans out. 40K for a pole barn, 55k for a full steel building.
Plus another 10K for internal outfitting, gantry crane, air compressor, etc etc. I don't need a wall of fancy toolboxes; we've all seen those high end garages. So maybe one more toolbox, and for sure a large steel welded worktable. Maybe I'll build that to teach myself how to weld. Still lots of projects left...do we ever run out?

now let's consider the most important factor...which type of barn construction would a new stereo sound best in?
Would the wood help to dampen the bright sound from all that metal? How many subwoofers would be needed and where?
And perhaps a small sound stage for small bands...and....and...:D

huh? yup, just kidding.
However, unlikely I'm working in silence, though my tastes are softer and more vocal and instrumental than loud R&R.

mac you crack me up. Growing up with 70 acres of woods directly behind our 1720 stone house, and fields in front, my father always told us we had to "beat the woods back" because for sure it would try to come out and take over the property. And it did. Same now with my place, invading species of cabbagey like weeds are working their way across my lawn, directly from the woods, like an invading army. Weed and feed did nothing to them, need to dig them out by hand I suppose. And those briars, the foot a day vines with the huge ripping teeth on them, they bloody me constantly, so you are sure right. But despite all that, I have another fifty sideline trees to plant and plant I will. Lot of weedwacking and watering though.

The trees in question are an old pear tree and that large pine. Both are healthy but the pine of course makes a mess all around it. The pine is going to get heavily pruned on that one side anyway since it has a branch over the power line that needs trimming. technically the City of Washington should send a truck out here to prune it; they have to maintain the line to the barn, since it has a transformer on it. I have two pole transformers on my farm, strange...and they burn and blow up from experience as a fireman. Now that I have a new gate that allows trucks through the property going the long way around behind the orchard and not through my lawn, I might just call them. I put the gate in for many reasons, including getting concrete trucks through the property back to the barn area without destroying the lawn. That only occurred two weeks ago and was the starting impetus for me to get moving on this new storage garage now that construction vehicles could actually get to it.

oh, as far as sectioning it off, no. Will have a big floor fan to move the air around but other than using a set back thermostat, no. Once I get a few electrical bills, my settings on the thermostat will be well guided.
 
   / Advice on new barn construction needed #26  
1.618 is the golden ratio. A golden rectangle will be 1.618 times as long as it is wide. A 30' wide building would be 48.5' long to form a golden rectangle. A 60' long building would be 37' wide.

List of works designed with the golden ratio - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The west facade of the Parthenon at the Athens Acropolis purportedly contains dimensions based upon the golden ratio. The overall dimensions of the Parthenon do not: (228 by 101 ft by 45 ft tall) and I have always thought that approximate 1:2.26 ratio of width to length looks odd. :laughing:
 
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I've been playing with an Excel spreadsheet which i will scan shortly, and I realize that if I have the main entrance door come through the "office" area, I can keep that area warmer/cooler and let the rest of the area be less airconditioned.
That idea of sectioning off has been bugging me, seems smart. Also wonder if a swamp cooler would help in such a large open area; sure needs some air moving through it. Ceiling fans???

Thanks Dave. 30 feet is plenty; I'll have to be silver instead.
 
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Like you, I'm planning a shop building and will be creating rooms within it, primarily for dust control. Every time I spray paint or grind something in the attached garage here, dust goes everywhere in the house as well. So I'll be paying a lot of attention to how well doors and windows seal, and will use foam gaskets under sill plates and studs where they attach to the building walls. Probably go overboard on the calking, too.

But I definitely want a utility sink for washing dirty parts and hands, so that means I'll be bringing water in. And since it's there anyway, there will be a small bathroom with a toilet, sink, and shower and yes, I'll have to install another septic system. But outside the bathroom will be an office, and it'll have a hide-a-bed couch, so if needs be, someone could spend a comfortable night (or more) out there without too much trouble. And now I'm wondering how to make access to the bathroom easy from both the shop and the office; maybe the bathroom needs two man doors?

Lots of good ideas so far in this thread, and I look forward to more posts on your progress. Thanks for taking us all along for the ride!:thumbsup:
 
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1.618 is the golden ratio. A golden rectangle will be 1.618 times as long as it is wide. A 30' wide building would be 48.5' long to form a golden rectangle. A 60' long building would be 37' wide.

List of works designed with the golden ratio - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The west facade of the Parthenon at the Athens Acropolis purportedly contains dimensions based upon the golden ration. The overall dimensions of the Parthenon do not: (228 by 101 ft by 45 ft tall) and I have always thought that approximate 1:2.26 ratio of width to length looks odd. :laughing:

Must be why 40x64 is so popular.

I cheated a bit though and went out another 8' to a 40x72. 72 works out with 16" block, 8' boards, and 3' siding. 64" didnt work evenly with all 3
 

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