Allis Chalmers B and CA

[Nat]

I have posted pics of the last B that I rehabbed, but none of the CA that I bought last summer. I didn't mess with it till winter and then repainted it and put a 3PH on it. This is a real good stout little tractor. It pulls a 2 bottom 14 " turning plow and runs my 5' bushhog well. It's hard to beat these old tractors. I know a lot of you are into the newre CUT's and SCUT's, but to me you can't beat hearing a 50/60 year old machine still working and doing it's job.

 

[Soundguy]

nice!

soundguy

 

[Nat]

Thanks Chris, even though they aren't on the cover of a magazine, like you I'm proud of my work. Congrats on getting yours displayed, Doesn't it make you feel good to know others appreciate all the work you put into it? later, Nat

 

[Nat]

wrong pic

 

[wolc123]

Nat, them are some nice looking tractors. I bet that CA does do well on that plow. I have used my 1941 C on occasion on the same plow. It does alright, but would certainly do a lot better if I loaded the rear tires. It certainly does not lack for hp and I think your CA has a little more. I also love working with the old iron. The only reason I bought a new tractor was to get the 4wd and I am thankfull I did with the big rise in fuel prices. For tillage, the 4wd saves about 25% in fuel costs over the larger 2wd that would be required to do the same work.

 

[flusher]

I have posted pics of the last B that I rehabbed, but none of the CA that I bought last summer. I didn't mess with it till winter and then repainted it and put a 3PH on it. This is a real good stout little tractor. It pulls a 2 bottom 14 " turning plow and runs my 5' bushhog well. It's hard to beat these old tractors. I know a lot of you are into the newre CUT's and SCUT's, but to me you can't beat hearing a 50/60 year old machine still working and doing it's job.

Really like your ACs.

I guy in town has a 1934 AC for sale asking $1200. Not running. 4 cylinders. Pretty messy. Could be a U, UC or WC. I'll get photos soon.

Seems like a lot for a 74 year old tractor that's not running. What would be a fair price for something like that?

How much pain (physical as well as financial) was involved in restoring your ACs?

Like you I have a hard time resisting old iron like this.

 

[Nat]

To me that would be way to high for any non running tractor. I have these 2 for sale and only want 2750.00 for the most expensive one of them so if you count the price of tires, batteries, 3PH,paint/decals, mufflers, altenators, wires ect. without the cost of repairing/rebuilding the engines you would have a fortune in it and the amount it would be worth would make it prohibitive. Plus a U, UC, or WC doesn't have a hudrolic lift, and for using a tractor that is a must.
I like messing with old tractors and will buy another when these are sold, but I sure don't want anyone to think you can make any money on them. I have a fun hobby that pays for itself if I'm carefull and the moon and stars align just right. I bought the B and repaired it so that you get on it and hit the starter and it is ready to go to work. I'm asking 2750 for it and have that much in it not counting all the hrs of work. I did the same with the CA. It starts and runs and works good and I'm asking 2250 for it and have that much in it, so it isn't a money maker.
I would look for an old B or a CA, or and N series Ford to start on. Buy something that runs and works, then you can find out how much work goes into fixing it , then see if that is something you want to do again. You may just find a self paying hobby that you like. HTH, later, Nat

 

[flusher]

To me that would be way to high for any non running tractor. I have these 2 for sale and only want 2750.00 for the most expensive one of them so if you count the price of tires, batteries, 3PH,paint/decals, mufflers, altenators, wires ect. without the cost of repairing/rebuilding the engines you would have a fortune in it and the amount it would be worth would make it prohibitive. Plus a U, UC, or WC doesn't have a hudrolic lift, and for using a tractor that is a must.
I like messing with old tractors and will buy another when these are sold, but I sure don't want anyone to think you can make any money on them. I have a fun hobby that pays for itself if I'm carefull and the moon and stars align just right. I bought the B and repaired it so that you get on it and hit the starter and it is ready to go to work. I'm asking 2750 for it and have that much in it not counting all the hrs of work. I did the same with the CA. It starts and runs and works good and I'm asking 2250 for it and have that much in it, so it isn't a money maker.
I would look for an old B or a CA, or and N series Ford to start on. Buy something that runs and works, then you can find out how much work goes into fixing it , then see if that is something you want to do again. You may just find a self paying hobby that you like. HTH, later, Nat

Yep, that helps. Thanks. To me $1200 is way high for a beat-up, non-running 1930s tractor even if it's a collector's item to some folks. My rule of thumb is no more than $700 for that kind of deal because you don't know if the engine's stuck. All you have is the seller's word that it wasn't the last time he ran it which could have been decades ago.

That AC I saw does have a 3pt hitch operated by an external hydraulic cylinder attached to the frame of the tractor on the right side under the seat. I'll get photos soon.

 

[scott_vt]

Afternoon Nat,
Very nice !!! Looks great to me ! That is one stout tractor, my neighbor has one he refurbed also, although he just takes it to shows, doesnt get it dirty !

Yea gotta love that old iron !

Farmall must have taken a very close look at the AC B that came out in 1938, because in 39 they came out with the A and produced a ton of them !

 

[BobG_in_VA]

Farmall must have taken a very close look at the AC B that came out in 1938, because in 39 they came out with the A and produced a ton of them !

Scott, As I know you are a Farmall man (as am I), we also had an older B AC that had the single hyd cyl lift. Now, did you know that the rear wheels from an A Farmall and a B AC will interchange??/ the wheels/rims bolt patterns are identical. Cool huh?? BobG in VA

 

[flusher]

To me that would be way to high for any non running tractor. I have these 2 for sale and only want 2750.00 for the most expensive one of them so if you count the price of tires, batteries, 3PH,paint/decals, mufflers, altenators, wires ect. without the cost of repairing/rebuilding the engines you would have a fortune in it and the amount it would be worth would make it prohibitive. Plus a U, UC, or WC doesn't have a hudrolic lift, and for using a tractor that is a must.
I like messing with old tractors and will buy another when these are sold, but I sure don't want anyone to think you can make any money on them. I have a fun hobby that pays for itself if I'm carefull and the moon and stars align just right. I bought the B and repaired it so that you get on it and hit the starter and it is ready to go to work. I'm asking 2750 for it and have that much in it not counting all the hrs of work. I did the same with the CA. It starts and runs and works good and I'm asking 2250 for it and have that much in it, so it isn't a money maker.
I would look for an old B or a CA, or and N series Ford to start on. Buy something that runs and works, then you can find out how much work goes into fixing it , then see if that is something you want to do again. You may just find a self paying hobby that you like. HTH, later, Nat

Well I shot a few photos of that AC. Misread the For Sale sign. It's a 1954 model, not 1934. Talked to the owner. He thinks it's a 1954 WC, last run about 4 years ago. But the WC went out of production in 1948. If it truely is a 1954 model, then it's likely a WD-45 (be still my beating heart).

Looked all over for an ID tag, but no luck. Any suggestions here are welcomed with thanks.

It's a tricycle tractor.

Here's a shot showing the 3pt and the external hydraulic cylinder. The owner said he thinks it was an option or aftermarket item added by a previous owner.

Tires are marginal. There's an rear ag tire to replace the turf tire.

Looks like it would need a fairly lengthy restoration effort.

 

[scott_vt]

Scott, As I know you are a Farmall man (as am I), we also had an older B AC that had the single hyd cyl lift. Now, did you know that the rear wheels from an A Farmall and a B AC will interchange??/ the wheels/rims bolt patterns are identical. Cool huh?? BobG in VA

Good Evenin Bob,
No Bob I didnt know that !!! Its nice to learn something new before the sunsets everyday !!! Thanks !

 

[Nat]

Bob, actually the wheels won't interchange, but the rims from a A Farmall will bolt right on the old style cast B -AC wheels, and you don't have to use the stupid excentric bolts that AC used on them. I would love to find a set of Farmall rims for the next B AC that I redo. They have a square loop that fits right on the place where the excentric lugs on a cast wheel B -AC go and it is a ton easier.


Flusher, that is a WD pictured and it has the origional WD lift with a homemade 3PH added. The serial no. is on the rear differential at the left brake opening. It will say WD xxxx or WD-45xxxx if it were a WD 45. All the 45s I've ever seen had the curved gearstick and I believe the 45s had a cover on the side of the block at the lifters. I can't see one in the pics, and it looks to have the strait gearstick so that would make it a WD. Don't be confused the WD is a great tractor, most folks around here pulled a 3-14" plow with a WD and they were a bullet proof tractor, and the hand clutch gave it live hydraulics and live PTO. A WD will pull a 6' bushhog easy and a 8' disc.

Scott, I wish I wanted to restore and keep one for myself, then I would make one as nice or nearlly as nice as your super A. From redoing yours you know that you can't restore one and make it cost effective to resell.
A super A is a 2 plow tractor and a AC- B is a one plow tractor, but the super A is a 123 CI engine and the AC-B is 125, but the fact that the B is only a 3 sp trans means the super A will pull more. Enough tractor trivia Later, Nat

 

[BobG_in_VA]

Scott, I wish I wanted to restore and keep one for myself, then I would make one as nice or nearlly as nice as your super A. From redoing yours you know that you can't restore one and make it cost effective to resell.
A super A is a 2 plow tractor and a AC- B is a one plow tractor, but the super A is a 123 CI engine and the AC-B is 125, but the fact that the B is only a 3 sp trans means the super A will pull more. Enough tractor trivia Later, Nat

Nat, now its my turn (grin)...Super A had a 113 cu/in engine except in about '54 when they actually made a few with the 123 in engine and called it the Super A1. the 123 engine was used in the 100/130/140. (You could redo a 113 to 123 by going to the larger piston/sleeve sets). Also, you may have seen a couple of 1pt FastHitch 2 bottom plows that would fit a Super A but unless you had a "bunch" of extra weight/loaded tires and super sandy soil, the Super A probably would have worn you out trying to plow with a 2 bottom. They were actually rated as a 1 bottom plow tractor. As an aside (and we can agree to disagree here...) the AC B will normally out do a Super A in tractor pulls...don't know why, but AC's really do put the HP to the ground. BobG in VA

 

[Soundguy]

Thanks Chris, even though they aren't on the cover of a magazine, like you I'm proud of my work. Congrats on getting yours displayed, Doesn't it make you feel good to know others appreciate all the work you put into it? later, Nat

Yes it does.

Also.. that 5000 was the first cover shot i ever got. Even surprised me when I opend the mail box.

first thing i said was.. wow.. nice ford on the cover. then about a half second later i recognized my barn in the background!

soundguy

 

[scott_vt]

Yes it does.

Also.. that 5000 was the first cover shot i ever got. Even surprised me when I opend the mail box.

first thing i said was.. wow.. nice ford on the cover. then about a half second later i recognized my barn in the background!

soundguy

Mornin Chris,
Sheesh what the heck are you doin up in the middle of the night ???

BTW thats one suprise that would be welcomed at my mailbox anyday !!!

 

[Soundguy]

My 2nd job keeps me up till usually 1am.. sometimes later depending on the day..

soundguy

 

[flusher]

Flusher, that is a WD pictured and it has the origional WD lift with a homemade 3PH added. The serial no. is on the rear differential at the left brake opening. It will say WD xxxx or WD-45xxxx if it were a WD 45. All the 45s I've ever seen had the curved gearstick and I believe the 45s had a cover on the side of the block at the lifters. I can't see one in the pics, and it looks to have the strait gearstick so that would make it a WD. Don't be confused the WD is a great tractor, most folks around here pulled a 3-14" plow with a WD and they were a bullet proof tractor, and the hand clutch gave it live hydraulics and live PTO. A WD will pull a 6' bushhog easy and a 8' disc.

Later, Nat

Thanks for the info. I'll try to find the serial number tomorrow. Is this number printed on a metal tag, or is it cast into the rear differential casting?

 

[Nat]

stamped into the rear housing near where the brake adjustment is made.Later, Nat

 

[flusher]

stamped into the rear housing near where the brake adjustment is made.Later, Nat

Thanks for the info. I'll check the tractor again today.