Amsoil Syn Hydraulic Fluid vs Super UDT or NH 200

cowboydoc · Mar 18, 2005

If a lubricant you use in a machine is not API certified per the specified requirements for the machine, then is your warranty void ?


I'm not going to get into this with anyone but it most certainly does. You want to take the chance that is fine. I just want people to be aware that warranties are void for using Amsoil and other oils taht don't meet mfg. specs. Here is just one example. I don't have the time to pull up every one of them. But if you go to CAT, Dodge, Ford, Chevy, and other forums you will see a # of warranties that were denied. Here is one. And why wouldn't they be denied? The mfg. has to have some kind of standard to hold people to. If I'm going to give you a warranty and you choose to break that warranty by doing what you read and not what my engineers recommended then great do it, but be ready to pay the price. Your choice, your rig, but don't think the Magnuson-Moss act is blanket protection. Once the dealer denies the warranty you're going to need a good lawyer and lots of $ to get it reversed.

gsxr1100 · Mar 18, 2005

I have an opinion but I would contact Amsoil.

But a quick answer per Amsoil was/is no.

Per Kubota:

Engine Oil:
Oil used in the engine should have an American Petroleum Institute (API) service classification and Proper SAE Engine oil according to the ambient temperatures.

As long as the oil has the proper "API service classification" you are fine.

KennedyDiesel · Mar 18, 2005

( One point here I did not see made. If a lubricant you use in a machine is not API certified per the specified requirements for the machine, then is your warranty void ?
Ben
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I don't see that happening, but I have heard of cases where a truck lost coolant into the oil which made a big block of gelatin. This was a synthetic Amsoil product. Warranty was denied.

Tires are measured and tagged to meet DOT spec.

ROPS is measured and tagged to meet SAE spec.

Engine Oil is measured and tagged to meet API spec.

gsxr1100 · Mar 18, 2005

Richard, you ".....are hundreds of people that are having warranty denied because"...I see one and it is he said "ford said"..I want Ford doc' or email froms Ford. Not he said she said..

gsxr1100 · Mar 18, 2005

( I don't see that happening, but I have heard of cases where a truck lost coolant into the oil which made a big block of gelatin. This was a synthetic Amsoil product. Warranty was denied.)

The engine oil has nothing to even do with this example. This sounds like the old 7.3 Powerchokes with pin holes in the wet liners.

gsxr1100 · Mar 18, 2005

( If a lubricant you use in a machine is not API certified per the specified requirements for the machine, then is your warranty void ?


I'm not going to get into this with anyone but it most certainly does. You want to take the chance that is fine. I just want people to be aware that warranties are void for using Amsoil and other oils taht don't meet mfg. specs. Here is just one example. I don't have the time to pull up every one of them. But if you go to CAT, Dodge, Ford, Chevy, and other forums you will see a # of warranties that were denied. Here is one. And why wouldn't they be denied? The mfg. has to have some kind of standard to hold people to. If I'm going to give you a warranty and you choose to break that warranty by doing what you read and not what my engineers recommended then great do it, but be ready to pay the price. Your choice, your rig, but don't think the Magnuson-Moss act is blanket protection. Once the dealer denies the warranty you're going to need a good lawyer and lots of $ to get it reversed. )

per Amsoil website for all to see:

Q: Will AMSOIL Motor Oils void the warranty of a new vehicle?

A: Absolutely not! Manufacturers’ warranties are based upon the use of oils meeting specific API Service Classifications, for example, SJ/CF. (AMSOIL lubricants meet the current API Service requirements and, thus, are perfectly suited for use in any new vehicle without affecting the validity of the new vehicle warranty.)

Also contacted them last year to prove a point:

To: Mike Burnickas
From: AMSOIL Technical Services
Email: Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 11:06:56 -0500

Thank you for contacting AMSOIL with your concerns.
In response to your inquiry…

Original Equipment Manufacturers (OEMs) recommend consumers use lubricants of the proper viscosity grade and service classification. Any oil, whether it’s petroleum oil or synthetic, may be used without affecting the overall warranty coverage. OEMs pay or deny warranty claims based on the findings of failure analysis. To affect the vehicle warranty, the lubricant must be directly responsible for the failure. If the oil did not cause the problem the warranty cannot be voided, regardless of the brand of oil used, viscosity, or the length of time or number of miles the oil was used.

tomnky · Mar 18, 2005

I really wouldn't expect Amsoil to say anything else.

But when it comes to warranty issues I would be more concerned with what the manufacturer had to say about all this, moreso than what an oil company had to say.
My personal opinion is One should verify just what oil and I would ask specifically about Amsoil if I were intending on using it.

I would want verification from the Manufacturer or a Dealer in writing in case anything did come up about this.
The way I see it if they won't put it in writing, then I don't need their product.

SkyPup · Mar 18, 2005

Last year 5,000 people in the US died from eating contaminated food that was certified by the USDA, another 250,000 died taking drugs that were certified by the FDA.

And you think the American Petroleum Industry (API) certifing itself is guaranteeded to protect you???? /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

gsxr1100 · Mar 18, 2005

( I really wouldn't expect Amsoil to say anything else.

But when it comes to warranty issues I would be more concerned with what the manufacturer had to say about all this, moreso than what an oil company had to say.
My personal opinion is One should verify just what oil and I would ask specifically about Amsoil if I were intending on using it.

I would want verification from the Manufacturer or a Dealer in writing in case anything did come up about this.
The way I see it if they won't put it in writing, then I don't need their product. )

I told Amsoil what oil I wanted to use (of their's) and in what car and what year of car.

This topic has come up time and time again and the dealer does side with caution since most users will have a very hard time with going longer or whatever. If you want it in writing then so be it. That also does not mean it is any good either. The dealer will take your money no matter what.

I also have not have an engine fail to oil in a long time (since I have been driving).

It comes down to what gives the customer a warm and fuzzy feeling. For me, dealers will fight with you no matter what and something in writing means zero. They will find a way to get out of it.

KennedyDiesel · Mar 18, 2005

( Last year 5,000 people in the US died from eating contaminated food that was certified by the USDA, another 250,000 died taking drugs that were certified by the FDA.

And you think the American Petroleum Industry (API) certifing itself is guaranteeded to protect you???? /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif )

No guarrantees, and nothing is absolute, but just think how much worse it could have been had the USDA not rejected X many tons of food...