thegreatrandini
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Animal Planet is a good show but they were wrong .
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thegreatrandini
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You are correct!
thegreatrandini
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wrong again!
Providing an opinion isn't worth much without also providing the details to your opinion.
Otherwise everyone who has read the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy would answer EVERY question with 42. (Yes, I'm a geek for those of you who actually got that.)
P.S.: For those that didn't get it. Look here.
Otherwise everyone who has read the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy would answer EVERY question with 42. (Yes, I'm a geek for those of you who actually got that.)
P.S.: For those that didn't get it. Look here.
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Well, you've been around more animals for more time than me and I will accept your explaination as fact. It goes back to my original comments about working animals VS non-working animals and the roles animal shelters play in our society.
I'll try to sum up my feelings with a car analogy...
Junk yards are like animal shelters. There's some real gems in there, but you might have to work on them a while to get them shiny and working correctly. The effort in the restoration is what makes it worthwhile. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
I'll try to sum up my feelings with a car analogy...
Junk yards are like animal shelters. There's some real gems in there, but you might have to work on them a while to get them shiny and working correctly. The effort in the restoration is what makes it worthwhile. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Moss and Cowboydoc,
The neutering and spaying issue can get pretty heated as evidenced by Randini. It isn't uncommon for people to assume that anyone who doesn't spay or neuter is an uneducated hillbilly but it just isn't so.
You two are still talking about this in a civil manner so I will provide one more bit of input of what I have seen and the reason for my stance with a black lab male. I have had quite a few black labs over the years. They are rambunctious critters and that is what I WANT out of a dog. I have had and seen males that were neutered that had to have their food cut back to almost half because they started gaining weight and got lethargic (as compared to before). And these were snipped at a relatively young age (less than a year old). I had no experience with any that were snipped at more than a year old but am glad that I heard from Cowboydoc that it still affects them.
It <font color="red">IS</font> possible to have a sexually intact dog and still be a responsible owner. It <font color="red">IS</font> possible to have a view different from the politically correct one and still be an intelligent educated person (although I sure do enjoy aggravating my wife with sexist jokes because it is fun and she knows to take me with a grain of salt, and also that I am full of it). EVERYONE who has seen myself and Methos together knows how much I love that dog and how much he loves me and the whole family. He is treated as one of the family, but I also spend tremendous amounts of time training with him for squirrel hunting. He'll be a good one some day and he's getting there now.
The neutering and spaying issue can get pretty heated as evidenced by Randini. It isn't uncommon for people to assume that anyone who doesn't spay or neuter is an uneducated hillbilly but it just isn't so.
You two are still talking about this in a civil manner so I will provide one more bit of input of what I have seen and the reason for my stance with a black lab male. I have had quite a few black labs over the years. They are rambunctious critters and that is what I WANT out of a dog. I have had and seen males that were neutered that had to have their food cut back to almost half because they started gaining weight and got lethargic (as compared to before). And these were snipped at a relatively young age (less than a year old). I had no experience with any that were snipped at more than a year old but am glad that I heard from Cowboydoc that it still affects them.
It <font color="red">IS</font> possible to have a sexually intact dog and still be a responsible owner. It <font color="red">IS</font> possible to have a view different from the politically correct one and still be an intelligent educated person (although I sure do enjoy aggravating my wife with sexist jokes because it is fun and she knows to take me with a grain of salt, and also that I am full of it). EVERYONE who has seen myself and Methos together knows how much I love that dog and how much he loves me and the whole family. He is treated as one of the family, but I also spend tremendous amounts of time training with him for squirrel hunting. He'll be a good one some day and he's getting there now.
DocHeb
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getut, not asking you in particular, but you were the last poster:
I don't know from the veterinary/dog anatomy standpoint if this is possible, but why isn't there a vasectomy equivalent for dogs? - make them sterile, yet maintain the testosterone levels that probably account for the desired traits listed by CowboyDoc.
I don't know from the veterinary/dog anatomy standpoint if this is possible, but why isn't there a vasectomy equivalent for dogs? - make them sterile, yet maintain the testosterone levels that probably account for the desired traits listed by CowboyDoc.
Freds
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I'll throw in my .02 on this, Doc.
In most cases, when you castrate a male or spay a female you are trying to get rid of unwanted behavior and POSSIBLE future health problems. If you are going to render a male neutered, you may as well take away the chance of them getting prostrate problems and testicular cancer. If you are going to spay a female, you may as well take away the chance of them getting mammary or ovarian cancer and Pyometra (sp?), an infected uterus that can kill quite quickly. Plus you are elimating bitches from coming into heat, as opposed to if they had a hysterectomy like a human, uh, woman /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif.
Also, the operations the vet does in spaying and neutering are MUCH simpler than going in, breaking apart muscle and snipping or tieing tubes.
Like I mentioned in an earlier post, unless you REALLY work your dog or compete with him on a professional level, most people aren't going to notice too much of a change if any. Cowboy Doc obviously works his dogs in an extreme manner and I have no doubt he sees change.
That's how I see it anyway.
In most cases, when you castrate a male or spay a female you are trying to get rid of unwanted behavior and POSSIBLE future health problems. If you are going to render a male neutered, you may as well take away the chance of them getting prostrate problems and testicular cancer. If you are going to spay a female, you may as well take away the chance of them getting mammary or ovarian cancer and Pyometra (sp?), an infected uterus that can kill quite quickly. Plus you are elimating bitches from coming into heat, as opposed to if they had a hysterectomy like a human, uh, woman /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif.
Also, the operations the vet does in spaying and neutering are MUCH simpler than going in, breaking apart muscle and snipping or tieing tubes.
Like I mentioned in an earlier post, unless you REALLY work your dog or compete with him on a professional level, most people aren't going to notice too much of a change if any. Cowboy Doc obviously works his dogs in an extreme manner and I have no doubt he sees change.
That's how I see it anyway.
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I completely agree with you mossroad.
Our dogs are between 35 and 50 lbs. and they are taking on 2500 lb. bulls, 1500 lb. cows, and all weights of heifers and steers. They get kicked, stomped, and run and have to come back for more. They have to have alot of fight in them. Without dogs our job would be a heck of alot harder.
Our dogs are between 35 and 50 lbs. and they are taking on 2500 lb. bulls, 1500 lb. cows, and all weights of heifers and steers. They get kicked, stomped, and run and have to come back for more. They have to have alot of fight in them. Without dogs our job would be a heck of alot harder.
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DocHeb,
I asked my vet the same question when I cut my border collie and he said good question I don't know why. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
I asked my vet the same question when I cut my border collie and he said good question I don't know why. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
