Another Electrical / Subpanel / Welder outlet Q

[slowzuki]

Well, I checked out the CEC and it doesn't really bear any resemblance in arrangement. I noticed they have standardized to the US for hazardous zones and the typing of equipment for those areas.

The closest I found was docks/piers/wharves with outlets need GFI on 15/20 amp that are NOT used for ship to shore power.

And the section which talks about requiring GFI for outdoor outlets within 2.2 m of the ground has an opening statment that NEMA 15 and 20 receptacles are to be used for everything in the section.

I think the electrician will agree with me on this one.

Thanks!
Ken
NEMA Plug Styles

 

[Inspector507]

So, in essence it does parallel the NEC® in the fact that NEMA 15 and 20 outlets require GFCI protection.

 

[Gary_in_Indiana]

<font color="blue"> "What was I thinking........thats NEC® 210 . 8" </font>

Uh... Yeah... I was just going to point that out. /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

 

[slowzuki]

Update on the outlet:

The electrician wouldn't let me use steel emt conduit to a plastic box, so I have to dig it all up and replace and reseal. I asked why and he said its just not done that way? I don't see why but whatever.

The fuse panel will have the dryer moved from a cartridge type fuse to a bayonet fuse so the welder will have a spot.

He also suggested replacing the whole panel with a breaker panel, well, 1000$ is a bit much just to plug the welder in a few times a year!

We'll see how it goes on Monday!
Ken

 

[Inspector507]

Why not just use a metal box on the EMT?
Also you could probably replace the breaker box your self for $200 or less.

 

[slowzuki]

Re the metal box, I couldn't find a deep metal surface mount box! I founds lots of shallow ones though, and they are pretty $$ compared to plastic.

I wish I could replace the panel! In NB home owners can't do any of their own wiring! It is retarded as some of the "electricians" don't know simple things like not bonding neutral and ground in subpanels.

We have wired our own basement but only because the electrician was nice enough to allow it if we called him to do the final hookup.

I know it is to stop the scary activities of some amateurs but it is really a pain for us who have 2 clues. I have no problem with someone inspecting my work as everyone makes mistakes but not permitting me to do it! Jeez!

 

[DavidJ]

<font color="blue"> The electrician wouldn't let me use steel emt conduit to a plastic box </font>

That seems a bit strange. We do it all the time here. All you have to do is make sure that all metal parts get bonded together and grounded.

 

[slowzuki]

Well we had a happy resolution and saw things through!

I now have a welding outlet. I started digging sunday and it went so well I spent 3 hours digging the rest of the way to the shop /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif now I should build a mini backhoe!

I put the outlet in the shop and used 8-3 direct burial wire with 40 amp fuses at the panel. The Canadian electrical code would have let me use 60 amp fuses due to the duty cycle on the welder but I didn't push it!

The 8-3 wire was used so that a sub panel could replace the welder outlet in the shop to free up the 120 v circuit feeding the lights etc.

Attached is a picture of the surface mount receptacle I purchased to replace the out door box.