Another Storage/barn thread

[edkemper]

Here are a couple other stiles that could be implemented for storage sheds accessed from the front .
In this one you can see the plywood gussets Eddie mentioned in his post.These were done with posts buried.

Nice mill setup. These will be very helpful for my eventual mill setup. Thanks a bunch.

 

[edkemper]

Two options, one quick method is using shipping containers on both sides with the tall metal canopy in the middle. Add a back and front and you're in business. I like the safety of the containers to lock up tools etc.

I'm wanting more wood and less metal. I just don't want the containers to spoil the natural look and feel. Metal roofing is probably where I'll draw the line. I bought the mill to help with the overall look of what I envision. These storage buildings will be to hide the metal.

Keep in mind, my home will be a hand made, real log home. Trees stacked not a kit.

I thought long and hard about getting the containers for personal property security. But the amount of land and designing the overall layout and keeping things within visual range will hasten the security I seek. That and good 'ol personal security devices I've collected over a lifetime.

Where I will be living, being nice and friendly is saved for the few resident neighbors and invited guests I'll have. All others, beware.

 

[edkemper]

Check out the "Building an old fashioned pole barn" series of videos at Farm Hand Companion's website for some ideas on how to build one from scratch:

Just got finished watching and reading this site. What an incredible site. Very funny and very worthwhile. This is exactly what I'd like to do with a few additions.

Mix the hokey with a few modern twists, this would be a win/win. Using certain power tools, battery powered tools, air nail guns, etc. etc. would make this a must watch and follow. The use of my thin kerf band saw log mill would be a huge plus also. Can't wait to get started.

I think I'll probably use manufactured trusses but the rest is just about spot on.

To scale it larger and longer would not be a huge problem. Worth the time and very appreciative of the link.

Regards, Gimpy Ed

 

[Creamer]

I would not go under 30' wide. If you do the cost analysis as Eddie suggested I would bet it will take you over 30' wide. 30' means three vehicles or things parked side by side.

Lots of great ideas here but for poles and a DIYer I would use 3 2x6s glued and screwed together - treated ones in the ground and non-treated above the ground. You would have less twist and warpage, you can set the lower part in the ground without having to handle such large pieces, and you can set the rafter in a notch created by the shorter middle piece (easy to lift one end at a time for a DIYer) and individually shim to get everything at the same height. The biggest thing for me is that with 2x6s you get treatment all the way through the wood but this is questionable with 6x6 posts. I understand Eddie's comments about 4' spacing of rafters but there are a lot of pole barns with 8' spacing that have been standing for a lot of years.

I would also go metallic roof for simplicity. Put it up and do not put any holes through it and you should never have to be up on it again. I understand the concept of wanting wood sides for the appearance you are going for.

 

[woodchipper]

I am planing on building my pole barn this year. It will be 24' wide, 60' long. The ceiling will probably be 13' high, to accomodate a shop roll up door of 12'x12'.
The shop size will be 24'x30'. In there I will finaly be able to take care of my equipment in appropriate facilities:thumbsup:. My poles will be self made, just the same way well described by Creamer,using Pressure Treated 2"x6" boards. By doing it this way, you can put in place all your poles, and not worry about bracing, nor twisting, as they only come up the ground so much, and the fact they are laminated. Make them stronger, more stable, and will probably not rot in our lifetime.
To the contrary of many, I will build my own trusses. Actually, I will have a second floor. The actual design is a Gambrel Truss design. This will permit me to build at low cost, and double my square footage for the same foot print. I will try to put up a four feet overhang both sides. Also, I will put up a lean-to on the whole lengt of one side. All my tractor implements will be stored underneath. The main building will be open on all sides, exept the shop at ground level, and of course the second floor. There is no reason for you not to be able to fabricate and erect your own trusses. You see, the way I will do it, is to buid the entire second floor first, using my own floor joists, spaced at 24" center, covered by 3/4"T&G Aspenite. I will then erect my Gambrel trusses from the finished floor.
The 24' width will be open, no middle posts(ground floor). My poles will all be spaced at 10' center. Why going 8'? The advantage of going 10, is that on my open side(the other 60' long side), my backhoe,and tractors will fit in easily. One "bay" for each. Sheet metal will cover roofs and shop walls. Ground floor will be dirt to start with.
Right now, I am working out my materials list. I will then go to tenders...$$...

 

[EddieWalker]

Be very careful on laminating your own posts together. I know that a few of the big companies do it and I'm assuming that they are using wood that is rated for ground contact. Lowes and Home Depot do not sell this type of pressure treated wood. The strength in the laminating comes from the glue holding the boards together. Just nailing them together doesn't accomplish anything. The other advantage to laminating is that you don't have to take the time to notch your post, you just cut one or two of the boards shorter.

I would never go about it this way. I like 6x6's and I like notching them. It is fullproof and extremely strong.

Eddie

 

[farmer2009]

Have you got plans for your gambrel trusses?

I'm doing the same thing only smaller. I found a site online that you can print off free plans from. If you want the link I can get it for you. Don't have it with me.

 

[Billrog]

Woodchipper sounds like the kind of building I would like to have. I'm with Eddie on the 6x6's here they now make us use 8x8's 12' high or over. The only treated 2x6 for direct bury is foundation rated & if I remember right it is to be tared as well below ground. The most important thing for my experience is to keep the building high and dry not in a hole where water accumulates large over hangs are a plus. Looking forward to seeing your build pics.

 

[woodchipper]

Thank you. It is quite a large project for a one men team! But after building my own decagone pole house, I think I'll be just fine.
Eddie: I read you on the 6x6 post idea, and I know you are very well sold on it, and that is to your advantage. Have you ever done a flexion test on the 6x6 vs the 3x 2x6 laminate? Has someone ever done it? A simple test that could very well reveil a clear winner!!
On a laminated post, the strength mostly comes from the wood grain pattern, then to a lesser extent from the glue. But no matter what, it needs to be either bolted or scewed together. Never nailed. I think I will start a thread on this, to get comments from both side, that have both used their proprietary method (ie: their method of choice).

Farmer2009: I am using a very simple truss program. Free 30 trial.
Its Authors is: Attention to detail. title: Easy Rafters.
No bells and whistles. You input only a few numbers, and it instantly sketches the truss. Enough for me!

Billrog: If materiel was not so darn expensive, I would go for the 8x8 anytime, and it would permit me to build a third floor...:laughing:!

 

[ovrszd]

Here's my 2 cents. 24' is no where near wide enough. A 24' garage tightly parks two cars and then you gotta be careful to not door ding the other one. 30' wide barely allows you to park two cars with the normal amount of stacked lumber, misc. stuff and still get the doors open. My shop is 42' wide with 2 12' wide rollups and a walkin on one end. Wouldn't want it any narrower.

How wide is your backhoe with the pads down?? (just an example of how much width you need).