Any one use a ventless gas stove for heating.???

   / Any one use a ventless gas stove for heating.???
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I have had the furnace checked out and it checks ok. This is the second house we have had a 95% efficient furnace and never liked the other one either. In our previous house when I built it (I was a lot younger then) I put a good size wood burning furnace in the basement and run the triple 8" pipe right up through our bedroom floor in side the closet. Left closet door open all the time when burning wood and it would heat the house fairly well, especially the bed room . Then as I got older and got tired of cutting wood and hauling it and the mess, I put in a large pellet stove. It worked pretty well but not the heat the wood stove put out. When I built the latest house my wife said she didn't want a pellet stove either, because it stirred up too much dust when cleaning it. If I do put one in from all the advice here looks like I will have to run the pipe out some way. To be honest I think I am loosing a lot of heat through the duct work. I did not run insulated duct work because I wanted to keep the basement some what warm because that is where my wife does the laundry, ironing and we have a shower down there and we use it rather than the one in the bathroom. So I am sure I am loosening a lot of heat through the duct work.
 
   / Any one use a ventless gas stove for heating.??? #12  
My cabin has electric heat pump, and a propane ventless heater that we supplement during cold weather. Really warm heat and had no issues from it. Some moisture on windows in morning, but very happy with it.
 
   / Any one use a ventless gas stove for heating.??? #13  
I have had the furnace checked out and it checks ok. This is the second house we have had a 95% efficient furnace and never liked the other one either. In our previous house when I built it (I was a lot younger then) I put a good size wood burning furnace in the basement and run the triple 8" pipe right up through our bedroom floor in side the closet. Left closet door open all the time when burning wood and it would heat the house fairly well, especially the bed room . Then as I got older and got tired of cutting wood and hauling it and the mess, I put in a large pellet stove. It worked pretty well but not the heat the wood stove put out. When I built the latest house my wife said she didn't want a pellet stove either, because it stirred up too much dust when cleaning it. If I do put one in from all the advice here looks like I will have to run the pipe out some way. To be honest I think I am loosing a lot of heat through the duct work. I did not run insulated duct work because I wanted to keep the basement some what warm because that is where my wife does the laundry, ironing and we have a shower down there and we use it rather than the one in the bathroom. So I am sure I am loosening a lot of heat through the duct work.

If the duct work is metal & not insulated, it isn't to code.. If metal,Are you sure it isn't insulated on the inside ??
We use to do non insulated metal duct back in the 60 & 70's with heat only systems, but not in this day & time.
If you want heat downstairs, you should just cut in some registers ...
Is your duct work duct board (soft fiberglass board) ?? If so.. It's insulated
If metal, and not insulated on the inside, I would recommend you buy some mastic,apply it to all joints, and pipe run offs, then, insulate on the outside.
If your duct work is duct board.. I would mastic all joints, even where the pipes come off .
If you can't heat with a gas furnace,, you either keep the t,stat too low , it's not operating properly, or the furnace is too small, or your loosing all your heat through cracks in the duct work
 
   / Any one use a ventless gas stove for heating.??? #14  
The furnace should still be able to heat the house even if heating the basement. Do you have insulation around the rim joist? Are the basement windows leaking air?

I would consider insulating the basement.

And a ventless supplemental heater upstairs should be workable.
 
   / Any one use a ventless gas stove for heating.??? #15  
A ventless heater burning propane or natural gas puts all the products of combustion into the room air. Carbon, carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide, nitrous oxide, and sulfur dioxide among others. The heater also causes the air to increase its water capacity so it being dry it sucks water from everything around. Then when the air hits a cold spot like windows it condenses along with residue from those gases. Nat gas contains a lot of moisture so burning that releases it into the air. By all means if you want to live in all those gas emissions be my guest; if you are lucky you will live to tell about it.

Talk to your local Fire dept about this. They are experts at solving the things that go wrong with all those emissions.

Ron
 
   / Any one use a ventless gas stove for heating.??? #16  
i had a ventless propane heater in a deer lease type rv, it kept it very nice and warm but if you stayed in the rv long you would come out like you had been on a 2 day drunk :confused2:

Seriously though I always learned that any open fire produces CO and that stuff needs to be vented. True story about the rv but i soon learned to keep a window open a little bit to vent the CO and it was fine.
 
   / Any one use a ventless gas stove for heating.??? #17  
I concede those of us who live farther South probably don't have a full appreciation for what it takes to heat a home farther North, but I for one would never have a ventless "anything" that burns gas, propane, etc. We are (or were) rural, and when we built our house all we could get was total electric or propane. We went with total electric, which by the way, is given a rate break by the electric company. We have since replaced our old electric heat with a heat pump, which works fine until it gets cold, and we switch it from heat pump to resistance heat.

It's a b***h when we lose our electricity, but we had a functional fireplace built when we built the house. We can heat most of the house with it, and use it as supplemental on yucky evenings or just when we feel like it. I don't cut wood any more either; we just order a cord or so, delivered and stacked. It works for us, and I don't worry about getting CO poisoning. Sometimes get a whiff of wood smoke, which is not great for your sinuses, but otherwise we're happy. Oh, yeah; our first hard Winter, we learned that it would be wise to add another 8" of insulation to the ceiling and storm windows and doors all the way around. Saved the cost in a couple of years.
 
   / Any one use a ventless gas stove for heating.??? #18  
They use a catalyst to produce (in theory) only carbon dioxide and water vapor as combustion products. So they put out a lot of water vapor, humidity. But they are 100% efficient in the sense that you get all the heat from combustion. Nothing lost up the chimney. My dad had one and it was nice but made the house very humid.
 
   / Any one use a ventless gas stove for heating.??? #19  
They use a catalyst to produce (in theory) only carbon dioxide and water vapor as combustion products. So they put out a lot of water vapor, humidity. But they are 100% efficient in the sense that you get all the heat from combustion. Nothing lost up the chimney. My dad had one and it was nice but made the house very humid.

The only time they produce carbon monoxide is when there is not enough oxygen to produce carbon dioxide and water. If they are running correctly there is no CO (carbon monoxide) produced. I don't know where this hydrogen sulfide idea comes from.. There is no sulfur in propane to produce this poisonous gas in any kind of reaction.

Here is the normal reaction in the presence of sufficient oxygen. C3H8 + 5O2 → 3 CO2 + 4 H2O + heat

Here is the reaction in the presence of not enough oxygen.2 C3H8 + 9 O2 → 4 CO2 + 2 CO + 8 H2O + heat

Notice the production of the 2 CO (carbon monoxide) molecules. Of course Carbon Monoxide is lethal. Note also in each case the production of water (H2O) . The O2 is of course is free oxygen molecules in our air. and the C3H8 represents the propane molecule itself. I hope this clears up some misunderstanding of the chemical reaction that occurs when you burn propane.
 
   / Any one use a ventless gas stove for heating.??? #20  
Again folks.... lots of people cook many hours a day inside their house with either propane or natural gas... Some use range hoods, some not... Keep things in perspective for non-24/7 non-vented stove use. Not saying it is good for you, but neither is smoking/etc....
 

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