Any one work at a Terminal/ @ the rack??

[cp1969]

Are you sure about the restriction on hauling ULSD after gasoline has been in a tank compartment? That would really throw a monkey wrench in the works if that is true. Ordinarily gasoline is considered a 'cleanser.' When we hauled JP-5 to the National Guard, we could not haul it in a tank compartment whose previous load was diesel...had to go haul a load of gas first to clean it out.

 

[Iowachild]

Are you sure about the restriction on hauling ULSD after gasoline has been in a tank compartment? That would really throw a monkey wrench in the works if that is true. Ordinarily gasoline is considered a 'cleanser.' When we hauled JP-5 to the National Guard, we could not haul it in a tank compartment whose previous load was diesel...had to go haul a load of gas first to clean it out.

Absolutely sure. Gasoline is still at 300 ppm wt. sulphur!!!
BTW When we sold JP-8 to the military it had to go in dedicated tankers that had numbered seals on every opening.

 

[cp1969]

Yeah, the trailer gets sealed up everywhere...tops and valve compartment. JP-5 is different, as you know, from JP-8...IIRC, with JP-8 it didn't matter what was in the trailer last because JP-8 is distillate based. It did matter with JP-5 (naptha based)--they took swipe samples from each compartment and analyized them before allowing the truck to be loaded. If they detected diesel, you had to go haul a load of gasoline in every compartment, then come back and get re-tested.

If nothing can be hauled in a compartment except ULSD, that means you'd have to have dedicated trailers which mean two trips to a station if they ordered a mixed load. Somebody's gonna pay for that...guess who. Beginning to see why diesel is +30 cents above unleaded now.

 

[MadReferee]

Back in the mid-late 90's when I had my station, my hauler had seperate tankers for gasoline and diesel. His comment was that it was too much of a hassle to deal with so he had dedicated tankers for each. If I ordered diesel I might have to wait 2 days for delivery or pay a single drop surcharge, usually about 2-3 cents per gallon.

 

[heymack]

Are they phasing out production of the low (as opposed to ultra-low) sulfur fuel?

QUOTE]

From Exxon's website:


Is all diesel fuel sold at gas stations and truck stops in the U.S. now ULSD?


No. At present the EPA requires only 80% of the highway diesel fuel manufactured in the U.S. to be ULSD. Consumers may still find some LSD at services stations and truck stops until December 1, 2010 when EPA regulations will require all highway diesel fuel to be ULSD.

 

[MadReferee]

You are failing to realize one major point and that is that the 80% is a minimum requirement and 2010 is the absolute 100% date. According to the EPA, on Jan 1, 2007 85% of all diesel was ULSD which puts the industry ahead of schedule in the conversion. They stated that they expect the 2010 deadline to be met ahead of schedule.

If you live in the northeast you cannot find any non-ULSD fuel, dyed or un-dyed, unless the fuel is HHO.

Your region and mileage may vary.

 

[Iowachild]

You are failing to realize one major point and that is that the 80% is a minimum requirement and 2010 is the absolute 100% date. According to the EPA, on Jan 1, 2007 85% of all diesel was ULSD which puts the industry ahead of schedule in the conversion. They stated that they expect the 2010 deadline to be met ahead of schedule.

Quite right! The deadline was established to allow bulk plant operators and fuel retailers time to get sulphur content down to the required 15 ppm or less. If the sulphur content is not at that level by the 2010 deadline, the affected tank will require pumping out a washing before it could be used for ULSD service. A fellow at work did a spreadsheet that show how little high sulpur fuel it takes to contaminate a load of ULSD. It could take low volume mom and pop type retailers much of this time to get there.

If you live in the northeast you cannot find any non-ULSD fuel, dyed or un-dyed, unless the fuel is HHO.

We have not made any diesel product other than home heating oil with a sulphur content over 15 ppm since last March.

 

[cp1969]

Back in the mid-late 90's when I had my station, my hauler had seperate tankers for gasoline and diesel. His comment was that it was too much of a hassle to deal with so he had dedicated tankers for each. If I ordered diesel I might have to wait 2 days for delivery or pay a single drop surcharge, usually about 2-3 cents per gallon.

That doesn't make sense. There was no restriction back then about what had to follow what in the loading sequence except for JP-5 which wouldn't have affected you. We would haul full loads of diesel, fuel loads of gas, and mixed loads every day, so there was no hassle to deal with at all. I wonder what he was talking about.

 

[MadReferee]

That doesn't make sense. There was no restriction back then about what had to follow what in the loading sequence except for JP-5 which wouldn't have affected you. We would haul full loads of diesel, fuel loads of gas, and mixed loads every day, so there was no hassle to deal with at all. I wonder what he was talking about.

Mixing gasoline and diesel. I am just repeating what he told me. Diesel was always hauled in the same tanker. Gasoline never came in that tanker. It's his business so I guess he could do what he wanted. If I planned my deliveries correctly it never cost me. I also knew of at least 2 other haulers that did the same. As always your experiences and mileage may vary.

 

[SkyPup]

You are failing to realize one major point and that is that the 80% is a minimum requirement and 2010 is the absolute 100% date. According to the EPA, on Jan 1, 2007 85% of all diesel was ULSD which puts the industry ahead of schedule in the conversion. They stated that they expect the 2010 deadline to be met ahead of schedule.

If you live in the northeast you cannot find any non-ULSD fuel, dyed or un-dyed, unless the fuel is HHO.

Your region and mileage may vary.

Same here in our PADD I sub district, ULSD is everywhere. Don't know what it is like in all the other PADDs, but like you said the upgrade is way ahead of schedule.