Any Thoughts on This and Implications? Other States Could Follow?

[IslandTractor]

You obviously do not realize that criminals are the issue. Your gun death stats include suicides, those suicides will still happen without a gun, ask Japan. You have your head in the sand and I am sure no one will change your mind. That is kind of sad.

The issue is criminals ONLY if criminal behavior (robbery, home invasion etc) is the cause of most gun deaths. It isn't. Passion killings, gang fights, accidents and suicides are all important and related to availability of a gun. The total gun related deaths IS the important figure.

 

[SirReal63]

Out of those, accidents are the only thing that removal of guns will help. The rest will still happen, just without a gun. How will you fix that?

 

[IslandTractor]

Out of those, accidents are the only thing that removal of guns will help. The rest will still happen, just without a gun. How will you fix that?

Actually suicide rates in Australia dropped significantly when guns were removed after 1996. Easy access to a very efficient mechanism of killing is highly correlated with successful suicide.

 

[jlgurr]

Criminals can certainly obtain guns from out of state or illegally in state. That isn't the real issue. The real issue is what is the correlation of gun laws and gun deaths. You can quibble about the ranking system used on the gun law scorecard but it correlates pretty tightly with gun death rate.

Sure, some cities have very high gun death rates despite being in states with strong gun laws (Chicago is everyone's favorite example closely followed by DC). The issue in those cities isn't general mayhem however. Businessmen and shopkeepers are not being murdered daily. Housewives shopping for food are not being killed regularly. Nearly all those "excess" deaths in the big cities are young black males being killed by other young black males. Drugs and punk culture seem to be the real risk factors. That appears to be a different issue than the run of the mill crime of murder. For Illinois to have only a moderate death rate overall despite the very high death rate in Chicago shows that outside of Chicago the gun law seems to work. Strict gun laws may not protect young black males but they seem to protect the rest of us pretty well.

I can protect myself just fine, thank you very much. I don't need no stinking law restricting my rights because someone else cannot keep themselves safe. Seriously, did you answer the question about other dangers being restricted and taken away from YOU? Take the 2nd amendment argument out of it, there is no good sense in taking away something I and millions of others enjoy.

Are you going to give up your car because of vehicle accidents? Are you going to give up your kitchen knives? Come on IT, you never answer questions that make sense.

SirReal has made some very valid points and still you dodge the facts because they don't support YOUR view and personal agenda. I can see why you were banned from FP, you are not going to change your view regardless of the number of people or data that contradicts what you believe. You can't see past your own nose to the reality around you, frankly I see you as much a threat to freedom as an ISIS militant. You could care less what the constitution states as long as it meets YOUR desires. Heaven forbid when government steps on YOUR toes.

Thank goodness these topics usually start and stay in FP, they make me so mad to read the ignorance and self-serving crap.

 

[jlgurr]

The issue is criminals ONLY if criminal behavior (robbery, home invasion etc) is the cause of most gun deaths. It isn't. Passion killings, gang fights, accidents and suicides are all important and related to availability of a gun. The total gun related deaths IS the important figure.

PULEEZE!

They are still one of the lowest causes of death in the nation and world. The rhetoric is becoming borderline sickening.

 

[IslandTractor]

PULEEZE!

They are still one of the lowest causes of death in the nation and world. The rhetoric is becoming borderline sickening.

What are you referring to? Gun deaths? Last I checked they accounted for something like 12,000 deaths a year. Compare that to other non disease related deaths and it is still second or third after MVA at about 30,000. 12,000 a year isn't "one of the lowest causes of death".

 

[RoyJackson]

With all due respect and no malice intended, you sir can speak for your self!

I too am from Massachusetts and am not fine with the now even more ridiculous gun laws in this state. They are a blatant violation of second amendment rights.

Then you need to get with your friends, gun club or whatever and file class action lawsuit against the AG and the state. Call both state and federal representatives and senators
Make it perfectly clear that the state has no authority to regulate firearms, period...

Go on Face book and find firearms and 2nd Amendment related forums.
That's what it takes

 

[IslandTractor]

Then you need to get with your friends, gun club or whatever and file class action lawsuit against the AG and the state. Call both state and federal representatives and senators Make it perfectly clear that the state has no authority to regulate firearms, period... Go on Face book and find firearms and 2nd Amendment related forums. That's what it takes

Roy, you know the SCOTUS rulings. Of course the state's have the right to regulate firearms. Why else would we have 50 different state laws on firearms? No question MA residents have the right to push their representatives to make guns easier to purchase but they also have the right to tighten requirements. If we choose to pass a law that prohibits mentally ill citizens from owning guns, that is our prerogative.

 

[SirReal63]

IT it sounds like you would be so much happier in Australia where you would find a lot of like minded people, in the cities but like most of this country, the rural areas find your point of view dangerous.

 

[RoyJackson]

Roy, you know the SCOTUS rulings. Of course the state's have the right to regulate firearms. Why else would we have 50 different state laws on firearms? No question MA residents have the right to push their representatives to make guns easier to purchase but they also have the right to tighten requirements. If we choose to pass a law that prohibits mentally ill citizens from owning guns, that is our prerogative.

I do know SCOTUS rulings, and Heller v. Washington authorized limited regulation of usually deadly weapons (firearms weren't specified). As there are some 10 million AR-15 defensive sporting rifles in civilians hands (I wonder who has the other two?) and they aren't unusual or particularly deadly.
The AG overstepped her bounds and did it for political reasons, not reasons of safety.
A class action lawsuit with several hundred plaintiffs would, IMHO, likely overturn her ruling.