Any Thoughts on This and Implications? Other States Could Follow?

[Fossil Farm]

Massachusetts should have banned the six shooter and center fire ammunition back in the early 1800's since they were so superior to the single fire musket. Developed in the New England states for the most part. Wonder how that would have gone over. It would have protected the public from assault weapons and still allow individual rights to a firearm.:confused2:

 

[IslandTractor]

IT it sounds like you would be so much happier in Australia where you would find a lot of like minded people, in the cities but like most of this country, the rural areas find your point of view dangerous.

Ostriches live in Africa my friend.

I live in a part of the country with like minded people. My only interaction with gun lovers is on TBN.

 

[IslandTractor]

I do know SCOTUS rulings, and Heller v. Washington authorized limited regulation of usually deadly weapons (firearms weren't specified). As there are some 10 million AR-15 defensive sporting rifles in civilians hands (I wonder who has the other two?) and they aren't unusual or particularly deadly.
The AG overstepped her bounds and did it for political reasons, not reasons of safety.
A class action lawsuit with several hundred plaintiffs would, IMHO, likely overturn her ruling.

"Unusually deadly weapons" is a reasonable line in the sand. It it noteworthy that just about every mass shooting in the USA in the past ten years has been with an assault rifle and many were purchased just before the killing spree. I'd say that justifies lumping assault rifles into the "unusually deadly weapons" category. Vermont may choose to look the other way but MA is perfectly justified in taking action to limit AR type weapons in civilian hands.

 

[k0ua]

"Unusually deadly weapons" is a reasonable line in the sand. It it noteworthy that just about every mass shooting in the USA in the past ten years has been with an assault rifle and many were purchased just before the killing spree. I'd say that justifies lumping assault rifles into the "unusually deadly weapons" category. Vermont may choose to look the other way but MA is perfectly justified in taking action to limit AR type weapons in civilian hands.

"just about". in a study of mass shootings done from 2000 to 2010 the percentage was 60 percent handguns, and 27 percent rifles of ALL kinds. Think gabby giffords, naval yard shooter, virginia tech.. etc.. I will admit several usages of "assualt rifles" have occured recently, but I still don't think you can say "just about"

You like to spout of "facts" please chew on some of these for a while.

Gun Facts | Gun Control Facts Concerning Assault Weapons

 

[IslandTractor]

"just about". in a study of mass shootings done from 2000 to 2010 the percentage was 60 percent handguns, and 27 percent rifles of ALL kinds. Think gabby giffords, naval yard shooter, virginia tech.. etc.. I will admit several usages of "assualt rifles" have occured recently, but I still don't think you can say "just about"

You like to spout of "facts" please chew on some of these for a while.

Gun Facts | Gun Control Facts Concerning Assault Weapons

You're right. I guess I should have specified high capacity magazine automatic weapons.

 

[SirReal63]

Do you know there is a difference in automatic and semi automatic? There are very few automatic weapons in this country versus semi auto. For a fun exercise please go and try to buy an automatic weapon. You will invest thousands and spend many months before you get to buy one. Fully automatic weapons have been illegal longer than you have been alive.

The amusing thing is you are pretty much alone here in your opinion, and you know it so I wonder if you enjoy trolling these threads for attention? You won't directly answer any questions and seem to delight in throwing rubbish links that spin reality. I applaud you ability to take the abuse but I won't play feed the troll any longer.

 

[IslandTractor]

1) Yes I know the difference.
2) Of course I'm alone. The rest of you are, on average, older white guys from rural areas with conservative leanings. The breakdown on TBN does not reflect the country as a whole. I enjoy learning from and sparring with you guys. It would be sad if technology simply enabled us all to isolate ourselves in little silos with like minded people. I don't hang out on any chat sites with progressive minded democrats so I'm stuck with y'all.

 

[Omega Woods]

Why do you feel it is justified for the state to limit a free citizen's natural and constitutional rights without due process nor probable cause?

I am a citizen, not a subject. I have the right to defend myself. Certain threats, as anticipated by the constitution, require the availability of military-grade hardware.

It's not a law enforcement question nor a public safety question, simply liberty, pure and simple.

I appreciate that you're virtually alone in your battle here and bravo to you for speaking your mind. I salute your fighting spirit! You're simply looking at it the wrong way around, in my opinion.

 

[CalG]

I say, if you wish to live in a "gun free" nation, move to one!

Move to Turkey today! I hear guns are not allowed to about 60,000 newly censored individuals.

Must be a very safe place Like DC.

Those who will give up any freedom, for any sense of security, deserve neither, and will lose both!

 

[MossRoad]

Fair point but the data doesn't correlate too well. Of course you are correct that MA is a high income state but t other states with relatively high income still have much higher firearm death rates than MA (WA, VA, AK).

What seems to correlate better is tough gun laws. The five states with lowest gun death rate all have strong gun laws (MA, HI, CT, NY, RI) while the 5 states with highest gun death rates (WY, AK, AL, MS, LA) all have very lax gun laws. Indeed of the 20 states with highest gun death, 19 have minimal gun laws. Conversely, of the 20 states with the lowest gun death rates, only four have lax gun laws (ND, SD, VT, ME). Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence - Annual Gun Law State Scorecard 215

Alabama, Mississipi and Louisiana are all poor states, the poorest of the poor. Wyoming is a hunting state, as is Alaska. You're going to have to ban hunting weapons to stop firearms deaths in those states.

Massachusetts, Connecticut, RI and NY are all top income states. HI is a unique situation. Its an occupied kingdom. And pretty much anyone can own a gun there. Carry permits are very restrictive, but it looks to be pretty much anything goes for home use, including assault rifles. Gun laws in Hawaii - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Again, I say homicide rates can be tied to concentrated areas of low economic status way more easily than areas with strong gun laws.