Anybody like their R4 tires in snow

   / Anybody like their R4 tires in snow #11  
None of my tractors plowed snow well with R4's. I live in Western NC and the snow we get here tends to be heavy and wet with a glaze underneath. My 4520 and 3720's would slide all over my steep driveway, even with loaded rear tires (and in the case of the 4520 loaded fronts, also). My 2320 does better, but not as well as my Gator does. The reality is that these tires are meant to haul loads and give good wear and all around traction not specific to any one discipline. I have been disappointed in the snow performance of R4's on now all three sizes of JD compacts (2000,3000,4000 series). My situation is unique and some observations which might help:

1. R4's do not do well on heavy wet snow with a glaze underneath. They likely would do well in powdery dryer snow in less humid and slightly colder climates than I have

2. R4's on snow likely do better unballasted (the tire, not the machine). I have found when I ballasted my R4's, especially on my 3720's (I have had two) they did less well. The ballast box and unballasted tires may be better here.

3. The R4's may provide adequate traction using a snowblower since it is blowing, rather than pushing the largest volume of the snow it encounters.

4. Hills make a huge difference. My performance on my property because it is so steep is likely not as good as flat or rolling hills. I have one 200' flat section at the top of my driveway and my 2320 did fine there. As soon as the gradient changed, not so good.

5. Chains remain the best option. I hate chains. I hate putting them on and how they scuff expensive asphalt and concrete. But they do offer the best traction. These machines are heavy, even in the smallest series (2000). To get max performance out of them they need chains and become like bulldozers with them. Chains are difficult, if not almost impossible, to add to the 3000 and 4000 series machines with R4 tires due to the limited tire clearance between the rear tire and fender well. Spacers would help this. The 2000 series machines are relatively easy to chain up as they have a good deal of fender clearance, which is a blessing in this hard task.

John M
 
   / Anybody like their R4 tires in snow #12  
Did first year without chains and second year with chains. Chains made a WORLD of difference! Especially in wet snow where it tends to pack down into a very slick track.
Mike
 
   / Anybody like their R4 tires in snow #13  
My 2305 did ok in it's first year with the FEL and RB without loaded tires or chains. It did lose traction but I don't know if it would have done any better with the BB on or not.
Old Man winter dumped on us a couple times and everytime I got us dug out. You just learn fairly quickly how big of a bite you can take.
I got a blade for the FEL this year and the tractor is at the shop now getting Rimguard in the tires. And I going to run with the BB as much as possible. Should be a night and day difference but we'll see.
 
   / Anybody like their R4 tires in snow #14  
Don't get R4's of you want traction. Turf or ags are far superior. If I had known then what I know now I would have got turfs as an acceptable compromise.:eek:
 
   / Anybody like their R4 tires in snow #15  
R4's have no slide traction, so you will slide to the bottom of any hill you try to plow on. My R4's don't steer at all in the snow, I only use the brakes to steer the tractor, and often times don't even bother turning the steering wheel as it makes no difference.

They do good in powder snow, but anytime you have a little snow that it run down or packed down as a base, they are USELESS!

I love my 2520, but I HATE the R4's in winter. they are a great tire in all other conditions. I would not have any other tire as my year-around tire, but they really don;t do much in the snow. I'm in Northern, Wisconsin, so our winters see alot of snow that lasts from December till April.
 
   / Anybody like their R4 tires in snow #16  
to answer the question that started this thread...I would not know how my 3720 with r4s does in the snow because I could not get it out of my shop in the back due to the snow.
 
   / Anybody like their R4 tires in snow #17  
I have a set of loaded R1 wheels and tires for my JD5525 and a set of unloaded R4 tires for it. Unless I'm running in sloppy mud, I pretty well run the R4 tires year round. We've only had about 18" of snow once for me to clear, but I could easily run 20 mph with the front bucket down and 8' rear blade down and clear most paved streets in 2 passes; one down and one back. Even backing over snow piled 3' high to clear driveways posed no problem unless they had a layer of ice on them under the snow. Then the loaded R1 tires wouldn't do any better.

I suppose it may depend on the weight of the tractor, but I see no improvement that makes me want to put my R1's on to clear snow. Maybe on a lighter tractor it may make a difference. I don't know. all I know is that I almost always run my R4 tires as opposed to my R1's.
 
   / Anybody like their R4 tires in snow #19  
I have R4's on a Kioti CK25. Most snow is moved with a 7' back blade and loader. My drive is about 300' and fairly steep, no problems so far, R1's might be better and chains would help.
 
   / Anybody like their R4 tires in snow #20  
I used R-4's on my 790 for about 6 years. They worked OK, but I did get stuck a few times (pushed out with the loader). Rear ballast is important if you're going to push the snow.
Best bet is to see how you do this winter. If a heavy snow/blizzard is forecast, just make sure you get out there early enough (6" accumulation) and keep up with the clearing.

After our blizzard last year (all told, 30-35 inches in four days), I did get chains. But I'm running turf tires on a 4400 now (rather then R-4's on the 790).
 

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